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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: An . o2o

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Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:25 pm Post subject: Re: An . o2o

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heh, just re-read the whole topic.. some good times back then. too bad quake has changed completely, but it's all good. wish godl1ke and jedi were still around tho :/. happy birthday o2o

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:01 am Post subject: Re: An . o2o

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Godl1ke wrote (View Post):
Oae, oLd school, you're sk8a4eva, are you not ?
I presume myself being right, making you the first o2o

member, well, at least that is what sk8a4eva was. If its you, then indeed ironic it is. I've also noticed that you live in Las Vegas, Nevada, thats where sk8a4eva comes from, too.

Those early day nubub conflicts we had...I can barely remember whats what, only the few good days whilst you were w/ our first crew, you were quite good.

gonna bump this post for history purposes Wink

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Watch who you're calling history, pal :P

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 9:30 am Post subject: Re: An . o2o

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Ahhh. 4dd1ct has come around, hope he visits some time, he PM'ed me but not sure if he'll check back in here.

Forgive me for bumping the topic. ;P I've just re-read it, and I found it amazing how much I've forgotten. Had someone asked me to re-tell everything today, without reading this, I would fail so bad. Really glad I sat down and put it all down to paper.

Reading it all again, I remembered a few facts from back in the day, perhaps it would be right to put it all down. Seeing all these names. It's kind of a blur. Not sure if anyone's interested in this, figured I'd just type it for my own sake lol.

So yeah. Still remember the first game I had in quake3 "on my own", not being at my cousin's place (that's where I started playing quake2 etc.). Still remember the first evening, playing quake2 (I think) singleplayer for the first time. Was my first ever try in FPS genre. Was just a kid, 10ish something. I was so hooked to it, I remember coming home that night, and having my first good nights sleep, which it wasnt. It was some sort of strange nightmare, where the whole dream was about some strange triangles, rectangles and circles, coloured in rgb, flying around in void. Such a strange thing, left such an impact, I still remember it to this day.

So the first game was probably @ Migs' server. Was some sort of FFA with all weapons, on q3dm17. It was so unbelievably laggy, not just because of the internet (200 ping, + sharing the line with neighbours, who downloaded stuff frequently), but I probably had no idea how to put com_maxfps to 125, and my machine wouldn't have been able to reach that. Was probably a fest of 30-80 fps jumping lag + ping and packet loss lag.

So I dumped that server, not liking all weapons one bit. Besides, I played q3dm17 from time to time with my neighbour, who was better at it (had the first foot in the door), and I remember this quote from him "railgun is the best gun in the game". So it kind of influenced me, and when I found "Quake Maunch" (was it called like that by Migs, is that the right name ?) TDM Rail Freeze tag on q3dm7, it was bliss.

Still remember playing with a ball mouse, which would jerk around untill you cleaned the ball and those little tracking rollers inside from dust and other stuff. One memory I have of this, is that I (most of us, still), used to play on Windows98. Whilst it wasnt a very stable system, I remember switching to WindowsXP, and there was a great difference. It didn't really become "laggy" or anything like that, but playing on Windows98, I used sensitivities like 10, 12 or 14, to jump around that TDM RailFreezeTag server on q3dm7, and on Win98 the aiming used to feel quite "there", almost intuitive, could hit people standing 90 degrees to me with a flick shot without any trouble, probably 70% of the time, which I felt was a sure shot without a doubt in my mind. By switching to WinXP, what happened was - it became some sort of a mud fest. As if there was some sort of driver "filter" that changed the way mouse behaved. To this day I have no idea what it was, and to this day I wish I could try my old setup on Win98, untouched setup, so that I could determine if it was a placebo effect, or there really was something different the way mousemovement is coded in windows etc.

Anyway. It was really fun to play on that TDM server, as everyone used to frequent that server. It was "the PUB". Just like nowadays, when a new game comes forth, the pubs are full of people, and there's no problem finding any prey. There was not a shortage of noobs, and there wasn't a shortage of players like -oNu-bLu-EyZ-, whom I owe a lot.

Overall, when I look back at the whole oNu clan, the whole North American community of Quake players, there's a real difference in comparison to european scene. At first I did not have anyone to compare to the NA community, NA servers were my first and only stay. But later on I met a few people who I knew were polish, swedish and english.
When you compare NA to EU, there's always the theme of maturity and responsibility surrounding NA. oNu admins were always polite, they would take care of the server as if it was a kindergraden. They never exploited their admin or ref powers, they always treated everyone with respect. I remember being a little sh*t, spamming the server with some random stuff Very Happy

, raging and ranting in the chat, just being a total brat. What did I receive ? Just a light kick off the server. I was never banned for it, even though I continued to do so, when I got fragged. And nobody judged you afterwards, there were no "oh look its the spam guy again", or "lets go spam boy, its keyboard warrior time". Nothing like that. People were so mature back in the day, it's unbelievable.
And in comparison to that, we had guys from Poland, who would make 100 binds with 256 colours in them, mostly in polish language, or french (f*ck, sh*t and all the grands they had the knowledge of), and they would spam those binds constantly. I remember those days, Poland really had a bad name because of it. And I remember meeting Mininoob for the first time, judging him just because he was Polish. Anyone remembers Mininoob ?
What a splendind guy Very Happy

He took on the challenge, saying "we polish are not all the same, you're misunderstanding this", and we eventually became best of friends, played a lot of 1v1 and TDM with him, he later on became really fearsome.

So in hindsight, this quake3 game and this NA community did a lot of good forming me as a person. Just look at the quotes in the first pages of this topic, where Meganoob quotes me t4Lk1N6 l1k3 th1zzz. God almighty xD WTF was that all about. As a younger self, I probably thought that was cool. And it was probably the start of l33t talk in online games, it was "on the wave" back then, even though it was "invented" (cringe) much earlier.

____

So yeah, good old days of q3dm7 TDM railgun only freeze tag. You get back home from school, eat, and instantly sit down for a game. Was so addicting. You connect and you can instantly play, none of that Quake Champions bullcr*p (even though it's a really good game in it's own right). Everything used to be so instant, so simple. You get into the server, there's one map to learn, nothing complex, you don't feel obliged to "perform". I still remember the spots I used to shoot at the ground, or corners in order to move fast around q3dm7. There was a certain patern, "the best" way to do it in every room, and everybody did it in a very similar way, it was like a certain pattern everybody knew.

At first, the most fun thing to do - is to be left last alive, when all of your team is frozen, and to kill the whole enemy team, who is rushing you. That was the first thing for me, to be the last man standing, and to get everyone Very Happy

I even had a tag, when I was in WFx, which went something like "WFxL4stm4n". Last man, as in last man standing.

Later on, when you do enough of that, you start thinking of something else, like score per minute. You keep wanting to improve that. I remember a benchmark of "better than average", was 5 frags a minute. Anything above that was very hard to do, and inconsistant. Considered "this guy is on fire this match".

I remember learning to W A S D circle in one play, just like -oNu-bLu-EyZ did, he used to do that very fast in one place, and was incredibly hard to hit. Because whilst you were trying to hit him, he used to hit 80% rail at that time, so if your movement was predictable and vector-ish, he would hit you every time. The only counter to do was to do the same thing he did, and see who hits first :D

Still remember Supernoob, in his two tone nick, never accepting any clans, just tearing it up on his own, top-scoring the scoreboard. Later on managed to get him into o2o

, not sure where he was from, was it Spain or something ? Really calm and friendly guy.

I also remember cLoWnShoEs, who had a white-yellow-red coloured nickname, written in half caps like that. Anyone remember him ? Very Happy

Then there were such players like 4dd1ct, who were consistantly good, always topping the scoreboard. Don't know how, but I became friends with 4dd1ct very fast, even though I was just a kid with an immature attitude, and all the l33t t4lkzZz.

In those days, everybody wanted to become a member of -oNu-, because they were the oldest, the most mature guys, and they were really really good. I remember when oNu players came in the server, it was hard even for the likes of RommY, 4dd1ct and once in a while - me, to top the scorebaord. They would not only win because of their low ping in US servers, but because they had different skillsets, being really good in map awareness and their hit percentage was above normal. Was really fun talking to them as well, they would never ignore you, pose as celebrities or w/e. Just simple people, like "older brothers", or "cousins" to an extent. The funny thing about it all was - everybody wanted to get into oNu so much, everytime a member would come onto the server, people would go "when are the tryouts", "when can I tryout". Lol, I think there were public tryouts once or twitce that I remember of, but they dropped that soon after they got enough members.

I wanted into oNu as well, but it wasnt all that simple. Kind of wanted to beat them as a clan more. Didn't have thirst for clan wars, more like top them on pub TDM boards. So I thought about it hard, and re-vived my first dumb named (I thought so at the moment) clan O2O, which at first didn't have an expansion of those random o2o

letters (I just made it look like H2O :DDD after hearing Bruce Lee's speech on water lol). So I had trouble putting those letters to meaning, and the phrase "to own" "owned" etc was on the wave, so what the heck, I thought, I went for "obliged 2 own". My english was as bad as it is today, and I found it correct, so it became "obliged 2 own", which now is "obligated 2 own" at the very moment, which is the correct way to say it ?

For anyone wondering, the very first colours were like this "^1.^4o^72^4o^1.". That was the tag. After the tag, blue and white colour would dominate, making the name darker with blue dominating in that, with one letter in the whole nickname red. My nickname was something like Pr1est, I really don't remember it all that well, I just remember bossing my clanmates around about their nicknames a lot, to make their names look as good as possible, and in tune to each other when looking at them on the scoreboard Very Happy

It's a silly habbit, but I think I have it to this day.
And I still think that is the best looking tag of o2o

to the day, even though when I changed it to white-green-red for funs sake, Mega took it up as a main stay, and that's alright. You can have some nice 3 colour combinations in this game, they all look fine.
However, I remember a silly fact on why I chose the blue-white-red theme for the first tag. There was some russian guy on the server (TDM), who didn't talk all that much, and I only saw him like 4-5 times. He had a name like that, 5 letter name it was, I think, which was masterfully coloured in blue-red-white-blue-white, and it really looked good, nobody chose those colours in such a manner back in the day, it looked rare and good. He played quite quite well, and handed my ass to me in key situations, so I think that contributed to it.

Anywhat. When I put my hand down on what the tag has to look like, I played with it ON for a while, solo, just to see if people liked it. It is a little foggy, looking back on it, but I think there was I was clan hopping (just putting a tag of WFx when playing 1v1) for a while, and going back to o2o

when I felt like it.
Later on, I made up my mind strongly, and I remember thinking "right, lets do this", and went fully with o2o

clan. Started creating some free-online forums, a website for it, which was free. Not a lot of things were free on the web back in the day, so we did the best we could back in the day.

So when I put my foot down on it, I started inviting the best players that were around, starting with Sk8r4eva (was a random pick, if I remember, but he was really really good) and 4dd1ct. Was really glad 4dd1ct came along, and we started "rocking" the tag on top of the scoreboards in TDM. There were some good players around, and I felt like we needed more members, but I constantly rejected people who were immature (even though I was an immature kid growing up myself, I felt thats the way to go). So after 4dd1ct, I invited RommY, who was also a true beast, racking some unbelievable scores once in a while. There were a few more hand-picked members at the start, like Supernoob, who, to my great surprise, had no trouble putting on the tag.

So there we were, a bunch of great players, tearing it about, playing the game after school, work or w/e some of us did. Was fun times. RommY had a troublesome character, I had real trouble talking to him, and he neglected to wear a tag (which was a big deal back in the day Very Happy

D), so he later split off, and very soon after that was gone altogether. Probably found some other, better stuff to do.

About scrimms - at first, there were none. We just played for fun, didn't really want/need to prove anything. Didn't have a server, didn't have a scrim organiser. Just a bunch of guys.

So after RommY left, someone else left as well, and there were fewer people in the clan. 4dd1ct always was good friends with oNu, so they invited him over, and he joined. o2o

was floating around, but not the way it was in the first few months. I think it was around that time that I bought Logitech mx510, overclocked it to 1000hz and went on my long path finding a sensitivity for it. I stumbled upon sensitivity 5, cl_mouseaccel 1 and 800dpi (with drivers), which was really really hard to play with, but on 1v1 q3dm17, if worked hard with it, it became a tool of destruction. I don't really brag a lot, overall, but this thing is one thing I can do - there was some fierce competition back in the day in 1v1, and me, Meva and this (spanish?) guy Blade, were just unbeatable throughout NA 1v1 servers, people just couldn't do sh*t Very Happy

Jesus christ I remember those reaction times, I winder if its ever possible to come back to that.

So yeah. Frequented 1v1 more, left TDM servers for a while. Got accustomed to my new mouse. Also became better in TDM. o2o

was just floating, no new members (maybe 1 in 3 months or so). The new mouse helped me to become such a player, that oNu actually asked me on a date Very Happy

D, and they put me in. The rest I don't really remember all that well, just the fact that before it all happening, I noted Meganoob as a trustworthy guy, who was good at the game (and he was becoming even better it seemed). The fact that I even have an ability to write this right now, right here, is all thanks to him. Awesome stuff Mega. Really glad I can back to this, remember the names that I've forgotten, read on such topics as this one.

____

As most of you, I've been playing Quake Champions, once-twice a week. I've played a lot of other games throughout the years, here and there, with my local friends, and today I find a moment of some sort of truth, about where it can all go to, lead up to. Or even - does it have to lead to anywhere.

I don't think Quake Champions is going to go "huge". Neither is CSGO all that huge. Yes, a lot of people play it, but overall, quality of people has dropped down quite a bit, in comparison to what the pubs used to be back in 2002-2005.

The games themselves have reached different format. Matchmaking. What it means is - more time waiting, less time playing. And the visual quality of the games is the main focus nowadays, not the game idea itself, not exploring what your brain can do, not striving for "the edge". That is really bothersome to me. I don't know. I've tried blaming myself, that I've become old or something, but it's not entirely that. I just see a lot of pampered people in newer generations, who exchange "striving for glory, teaching yourself to master smth" into "I killed someone i got 12 killstreaks from it, I mash this button, OH YEAH, GLORY".

And if developers want to earn money, they have to dance to the music of these new generations.
I don't see any game becoming as responsive, as intuitive, as demanding and as fun as quake3, cs 1.6 or cod1/cod2 were back in the day. Those games were the multiplayer games to-go-to back in the day, there wasn't much choice.
Now, there's too much choice.

Like I've said in a topic that I've previously made - I've started playing (once in a while) 1.16n, not freeze tag, just 1v1 q3dm17 instagib. Buzzing in my head are a lot of ideas, comparisons and conclusions about many years of gaming, yet, looking at those days we used to play in, I've found that:
- 1v1 q3dm17 instagib is a perfect mode for duel. At least for us old farts. That map looks boring, but there are actually so many tricks to it (I still have demos somewhere on a CD), so many strafe jumps that very few mortals know about. It's like the perfect thing. You come back after work, sit down for 5-10 games which take up around 30 minutes, and you're happy. And that is achievable - you don't need a server full of people to play it.
- TDM on q3dm7 freeze tag with the rail speed and rail-jump format that was back on oNu server. Its a harder thing to achieve. You need people frequenting it. But if you have anti-lag, just like it had it back in the day, it's much easier to gather people from all over Europe, all over NA. It's the perfect mode to jump around, play a bit of freeze tag, to train your reflexes and meet people from good old days.

I'm not saying this has to happen, perhaps people don't want it to happen any more, perhaps they have extensive real-life activities that take up all the time.

What I have in mind, is an example.
Back in the day, after quake3, I started playing CoD2 (call of duty2, released 2005 autumn) with my Lithuanian friends. The beautiful thing about that game was that the skill ceiling was high, and it was based on quake3 engine, so sensitivity wise and dimension wise I felt right at home. Did good there.

However, when cod4 came out, was advertised very well, most people moved to cod4. It was a very sad moment, because even though cod4 was a fun game to play on a futuristic cutting-edge FPS pub (what they've invented/discovered, most military FPS shooters mimic to this day), it was considered by CoD oldschoolers just a "spam game". And it was.

So after this happened, and new CoDs started coming out every year, destroying the community it once had, I quickly made a Facebook group, and invited my best CoD friends to it. They're on it to this day, like 10-12 people, hanging around. Some of them already have children, hard jobs they work at, some are abroad and whatever. But they're still in the group, and they still would like for the "old times" to come back, like the many of us. It's like a group of lurkers, who are waiting for the right moment to jump into the right game.

I am not sure, perhaps this already exists.
But my idea is this - to have everyone from back in the day, in a closed Facebook group.
Only oldschool members, no tresspassers. Just for the sake of it. To gather people. With time - we might think of something. But the idea is to gather people from around the globe, if at all possible, and have them in a group.

Who knows, with time, we might open up a good old 1.16n server just the way it was. You don't need a good rig to play q3 nowadays. Anything does.

So my question is this to any member still coming on here:
- Do you have a way of reaching people from back in the day ? If you do, write a short post here, let us know.

I've found you guys here, and it seems 4dd1ct tried to contact me as well on the forums.
I'd also love to know what's been up with:
- Meva
- Chron!c
- RayDen
- Bulma
- aMock (you cheating bastard Very Happy

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- Mininoob
- many many others who I'm sure I'm forgetting because I'm an old fart now :D

So there. Forgive me for this wall of text, just felt like doing some input, while I have this energy.

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Wow.. so many people tend to forget that me joining . o2o

. is what revolutionized the clan to boost its way to star power.. there was only like 6 of us when I joined..

Mega
Sprite
TorN
BurN
Jedi
Jesus
And yours truly.. (and I believe ToG was there somewhere)

From there we took on the 1.16 community and dominated to be the brotherhood we once were..

Battling the likes of .eRa, oNu, UE, etc.. nobody stood in our way as we tore down the walls of every server we joined..

I still miss the days of rushing home after school to grab my headset, jump into the TeamSpeak servers, and getting online to bust some ass!

The thrill of Q3 has been unmatched in any game I try to play these days.. being held in high regards to be one of the best to ever bless the 1.16 community.. back then I was young and wreckless, and a majority of the time high off my ass, but none the less, growing and maturing my craft in the game..

It wasn't til I met Mega and the guys that I settled down, raised the kids, and grew old with my fellow brothers to teach the youngins how the game was played. Even now in my age (30) I still dream about tearing up servers and having intense clan matches with oNu or eRa. And what's crazy is I still have every map burned into my memory and know where all spawn points are.. that's how much I miss the game.

I'm proud to say that I am a legend in the game and helped make a name for the greatest rail freeze clan in 1.16 and those days will never die in my heart, I miss everyone dearly and cherish the friendships and enemies that made this game near and dear to me.

"Heroes get forgotten, but legends never die!"

-Med. Majic Mushrooms

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