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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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for f2p its really awesome. i prefer it to any other game released this year

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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Nice, glad to hear it! Can't wait to check it out then.

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:43 am Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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Nick wrote (View Post):
I would buy BF3 if it wasn't exclusively sold on Origin ;S

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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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BF3 lived up to every expectation. Back 2 Karkand is really amazing and a blast to play. Singleplayer campaign is not even close to what multiplayer is. Don't even bother with the singleplayer, it's that bad.

The fun doesn't end there. DICE is hinting there might be a 2143 DLC as well.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/12/19/dice-hint-at-battlefield-2143-with-another-wake-island-easter-egg/

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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Skapocalypse wrote (View Post):
BF3 lived up to every expectation. Back 2 Karkand is really amazing and a blast to play. Singleplayer campaign is not even close to what multiplayer is. Don't even bother with the singleplayer, it's that bad.

The fun doesn't end there. DICE is hinting there might be a 2143 DLC as well.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/12/19/dice-hint-at-battlefield-2143-with-another-wake-island-easter-egg/

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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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it would be awesome to see some 2142 content in the game, like the mechs xD

or fucking titan mode! oh man that would be fun to pay again =3

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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Hello to everyone,

Been playin BF3 quite some through the holidays.
And I have to say, I am severely severely severely severely severely severely (oops, broken record, let me change it) very very disappointed.

I have no idea how has the game lived up to expectations for you Skap, since you've played BF2 through and through. For me, it just lacks too much.

Here's a short list:

- There is no in-game VOIP aka chaos in every game. nobody knows what to do, it's basicly CoD MW2 all over again
- There is no commander in game - again, nobody knows what to do
- 4 man squads suck quite a lot in a 64 player game. 6 is the right way to go
- The new anti-air system they've adopted is ridiculous
- hitting a chopper or a jet with RPG/TANK gets "vehicle disabled", and the fucker just jumps out ( I never forget to wave at him with my hankey and some lead, sadly, to no effect )
- commo-rose is quite sh*t tbh, and they said they'd fix it in febuary. FEBUARY ? 3 months to fix a commo-rose ? So when will they fix the hard-coded controls, that alienate my keyboard ? in 2018 ?
- what is up with the deploy menu ? why is it blue ? why does everybody hate it and nobody is doing anything about it ?
- why dont squad leaders have more roles other than being nobody, like they are now ?
- why are the maps so small ? They're simply too chokepointy and overcrowded, hence jets attack heli's and they are basicly useless

+ the only time i've really enjoyed this game, was using MG36 machinegun (b2k unlockable gun) and placing 6 packs of c4 around snipers somewhere in the hills, then running into their faces, doing my dance, and then blowing them up before they jump up.

What BF3 is, as I gather, is a rushed game. They probably (I'd have to think it's EA, not DICE, or perhaps both) wanted to cut into MW3's sales badly, so they thought, that they could easily develop a new engine and perfect it in a few months. ROFL.

What actually BF3's BETA was, was an actual Alpha. And what current game is - is a BETA. The game is so unfinished, is so badly thought out, and is missing soooooo many key features from previous games, that made battlefield BATTLEFIELD, it's quite a joke, when they keep tweeting and telling us in all the casts that they're "going to keep updating and supporting the game well after the launch" (and they say it like it's purely at the cost of their free time and comes from the goodness of their hearts).

Another thing - the head studio designer should be shot blank range. That blue waffle deploy menu is slowly, but increasingly starting to give cancer to people. The loading screen of every map is blue sh*t with orange stripes. Yep. Orange + Blue. Old marketing trick, except, it's so overdone in BF3, it's actually polite to vomit.
Minimap is, again, a flock of blue sh*t, you cant make anything out of. I was expecting some cool map management, clickable teammates on deploy menu's map or overall, some cool map management with detail, but what I got was another well roasted blue waffle.

And what is up with the colour in this game ? Without the FXXA color injector, the game looks like it has -80% saturation issue. I mean...What the actual F ?

The only maps I actually enjoy is Karkand and Sharqi Peninsula. All others are just plain sh*t.
Too small, too crowded, no space in between the objectives.
And have you seen the concept art for Wake Island ?

Imagine if they made it exactly like that, but only in a tropical and nice weather ? How cool would that be, in comparison to the current cluster of WTF.

Another issue to me, is how the game looks. Im slowly starting to like Frostbite 1.5 in BC2 and BF1943 more than this Frostbite2 cr*p. I dont know why, but either the engine is not finished, or they just took some bad decisions along the way. In BC2, you could basicly destroy everything, and that was fine by me. I remember playing it first time with the assault class, thinking - what should I destroy FIRST ? Sadly, when playing BF3, I find myself questioning myself - why can't i destroy this ? Why doesn't c4 blow a hole in a wooden fence wall @ Karkand's F flag ?

Answers to all the WTF questions are quite simple, IMO. They've released the game. They've supported it for 1st month, monitoring, if there are real issues with it...Now they're all on holiday (probably), and as they've said - they've got 2 teams - a development team (develops new magical stuff), and a technical team (fixes currently released sh*t). From what I gather, the technical team is very scarce in numbers, and is facepalming themselves at the current situation of BF3 24/7, seeing no solution. And the development team only develops new stuff, they're not going to change BF3 around drasticly for nothing, the funding has to come from somewhere. The only way they get funded, is if there is an expansion announced...And I doubt the expansion is coming anytime soon. And however different to the original game the expansion may be, I really doubt they're going to change the "vehicle disabled" piece of .... system to something better.

It is quite sad, that this is the first time I feel this so accurately to the definition - I'm very disappointed.

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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Thanks for the honesty Godlike.

After reading that I will never buy BF3.

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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holy crap what a review! you make some really good points that make me think i'm better off not picking up the game.

ah the neverending hunt for a game continues...

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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Meganoob wrote (View Post):
holy crap what a review! you make some really good points that make me think i'm better off not picking up the game.

ah the neverending hunt for a game continues...

If you ever decide to get Portal 2 or Rage we could always play Co op on steam Razz

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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Mega - if you've got 2-4 mates you love playing games with, trust me, you'll have fun in BF3. The theme of my rant simply is - you wont have THAT MUCH OF AMAZING FUN, which you could've had, if it actually was a real Battlefield game.

There have been a few interviews with Grant Collier (i hope i got the name right), who was the main of the main guys behind the original Cod series (cod1/cod2/cod4), where he said that developers often get "tunnel vision", while developing their games, which basicly means that they get into what they're doing so much, they tend to lose common sense and overdevelop, make bad decissions and take bad roads.

Excuse my bad english and all the "overdevelop" terms, as in "overdevelop" may often mean something amazing, truely great games come from that, but I think they've "overdeveloped" in the wrong direction, and I sense that at their current state, DICE is not really shy, modest nor willing to look at themselves from our perspective. Somehow it feels like they take themselves as the only competitor of CoD, and they want to go toe to toe with IW (what's left of it).

What essentially BF3 was supposed to be, was a continuation to BF2.
I really liked the fact that Bad Company's gamestyle was different to original BF, and the fact that it was NAMED differently, because it was a different game. That is the propper thing to do. If you're making Orange juice, you might as well call it orange juice.
What they've done with with BF3, is that they've combined a bit of Apple juice (BF2) with a lot of Orange juice (BC2), and they've named it "100% pure freshly squeezed APPLE JUICE".

I've read a lot of people "whine" about BF3 in the most dedicated and most detailed ways, where they've quoted almost every interview and word DICE has said. Why do people quote so much ? Because they feel cheated. Nothing is more angering, than broken promises. "Whining" is not really a fair word as well, they have a right to do this, because it's those people that brought this game to what it actually is today. THey were the main advertisers all these years.

BF3 is not a successor to BF2, it's a successor to BC2, and those, who said it's actually Bad Company 3 are absolutely right, though I was quite sceptical of the term at first.

It's not really fair to blame DICE alone, DICE is not a single organ, EA has to do with most of uglyness this game shines as well. However it may be, DICE consists of many positions in itself(perhaps those positions where replaced since BF2), and those positions tend to make mistakes due to tunnel vision, or perhaps, sometimes...greed.

For instance, the listen server issue. Why do I have to buy a server, if I only want to fly around in the map with some jets ? I bet DICE has nothing to do with this, it's a strategy from EA, and some deals made with server providers, just like CoD did.

And it's all over the table like that. Look at what they've done with the Commander's abilities. They've dispersed them among the classes. Now Recons have UAV abilities aka MAV, Support has mortars (which are useless and laughable), etc. etc.
And why are mortars laughable ? Because a single mortar cannot be effective, since OMG, 2 people may get the devil in them to use 2 morars, which will be just mortar spam and ownage. That would be total imbalance, leading   to countless cries on the forums and death threats to developers at DICE. Which means - mortars are useless, when single. Isn't that a laughable decision to make ?

And why was this decision made, overall ? They use all kinds of fancy terms   themselves, when they want to cover up their means, but the simple thing is - they want the gameplay to be extremely easy, so that anybody could sit down, and have everything at their fingertips. Because "oh - no", you actually have to know something about the game to be a commander, and you don't often get to be one. That's a total no-no for them...

They're taking the same decisions IW did, creating CoD, just from a different angle, and perhaps, with a bit of a different attitude, or at least with a different show-off-parade for it. They're trying to make the game as easy to play as possible, so that it would appeal to a wider public. Why would you want to appeal to wider public ? Because you want more money. Simple as that. They're moving away from public, that are hardcore and like challenges, from people, that are patient and hard working, to people, who are ready to give away a few   bucks for an easy pleasure, to people, who don't notice details and wrongs in games, who come in for 30 minutes of pleasure into the game, and dont touch it for a week or 2. That's actually what BF3 is being tailored to, and if DICE was not DICE that it has always been, EA would gorge over all of it, and make it all happen in a click.

So...what essentially this duo of EA and DICE is doing, is using common sense, logic, numbers, in other words - their heads, instead of hearts. They're litteraly taking the best of BF2, and the best of BC2, and mixing that together, to get the best product possible. That's where they're actually wrong, that's where the tunnel vision kicks in. They're so busy competing with CoD, they're trying too hard, they've even reverted to lies, fake promises and those "perhaps and ifs - nobody knows what DLC may bring..." to fool people.

To me, this is almost as big as the Dedicated server issue CoD:MW2 presented. BF3 should've been BF2's system WITH MORE DEPTH and better visuals. That's all. What we got was actually less depth in a totally different system from BF2.

Just think about it - how many features are missing ?
- battlerecorder
- VOIP
- in-game menu ? (come on ?!)
- BF2's map-vehicle-infantry balance
- depth ?

I'm not saying BF2 did not have issues, but it was an all round better game than BF3. It's so clear that BF3 is chasing MW3, it's mind boggling.

Take, for instance, the streets ? There is litterally   such a sh*t storm of crap lying around the streets, you can't drive straight.
Why has that decission been made ? So that the infantry would have an easier time fighting vehicles.
Vehicles can't chase you half of the time, because there is a huge metal tank-trap object in the way. What do you do - you run away, then come back, fire your RPG, hide again, and repeat for success. It works so well, that a soldier with a single RPG can easily kill a BTR-90 with both driver and co-driver, furiously shooting at him. What vehicles usually are, is sitting ducks.
It's so easy to see this tendancy...Nobody wants to be a sitting duck/target. So people often revert to infantry combat, WHICH, is what CoD is. There you have it.

It doesnt have in every game, but MY GOD, it's actually the theme of this game. What this   theme should be instead, is - USE your vehicle to fight those other vehicles, not vice versa. That's what BATTLEFIELD is.

Please dont get me wrong - BF3 is still a great game. It's so much better than MW3, even despite all the bugs, it's so much less frustrating. Still playable, still possible to have fun, if you're playing with your friends. It's rightly so the best shooter released in 2011 (!!). But it's not the best FPS there is. I'd rather revert to quake3 or cod2 or BF2 if my friends played these games. For now I'm stuck waiting.

And what is there to await for ? Knowing DICE, and if they were put into this position of rushing the game, they actually feel guilty about it somewhere deep, then...GOOD, ye ? We know they've supported their titles nearly till the end, right ?

That means that they'll be releasing some kind of quality DLC pack   that reverts to either WW2, with those magnificent air battles and tanking (they're actually in debt to PC players, since they havent released BF1943 on PC), or a DLC that reverts to anything close to BF2. What I hope they do, is release mod tools after all the DLC's from them are out.

THEN, THEEEN we can have total conversion mod to BF2, accurate maps, new maps, Project reality, new vehicles and imagine all that - on the Frostbite engine...Which is..IF they make the decision to release mod tools, which would be a direct competitor to their way of making money. Which is...probable ?

Please excuse my ranting, I just felt like writing all that crap. Hope it's out of my system now, though the feeling of disappointment is still there.

Cheers to people who read ! Signing out, blue deploy menu waffle.

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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I actually enjoyed reading it. For what that's worth... lol

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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Let me resume all of this : consoles. The only reason BF3 failed to be what it should have been is because they released it on all consoles. I sold my xbox, and I started playing some PC exclusive games. I am done with console games, it's not healthy to play those games, as they usually lead to useless raging.

What we need is a game which is almost unknown, which lacks the publicity those big companies can offer. They usually offer the best gaming experience. It may be dumb to say, but we need a game where there is a huge glitch that can be exploited. Look at Counter-strike, and Quake; Bunny Hop & Strafe jump. Games with "game-breaking" glitches usually makes them more playable for the hardcore gamers.

Today's games are dumbed down to make sure they have less bugs to worry about. By releasing it on multiple consoles, they want to make sure they get the most money out of it, while not putting much efforts into it.

Saddening to see the Battlefield is going down the same way.

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:10 pm Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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TorN wrote:
Let me resume all of this : consoles. The only reason BF3 failed to be what it should have been is because they released it on all consoles. I sold my xbox, and I started playing some PC exclusive games. I am done with console games, it's not healthy to play those games, as they usually lead to useless raging.

Truth spoken.

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