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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha.

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I'll review thoses demo later.
Im going to say this without have seen the demos but I use to shoot alot to the bodies because that's my reaction, idk if this apply with him, btw i need to review the demos.

cya later.

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha.

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Andddd here are the shots in real time (compared to the slowmo shots).

To claim that you don't believe he hacks after three incidences of the yh shot as well as all of the other suspicious shots he made, you must either:

1) Support hacking in quake because:
   a) you were once a hacker
   b) you hack
   c) you want to see the community die

2) Be blinded by the fact that he hacks because:
   a) you're his friend/clanmate
   b) you're genuinely retarded

Times 17:03 in the first demo and 4:03 and 7:09 in the second demo are more than enough to make a conclusive conviction.

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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 2:07 am Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha.

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He has made me forever despise Potcha in The Emperor's New Groove..AND I FUCKING LOVED THAT MOVIE.

-1

Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 3:15 am Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha.

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Lmao, last video there shows he didn't even jump to make that yh shot. What more proof does one need? Seriously.. You'd have to be dumb not to ban this guy.

Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 3:31 am Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha.

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I think people who deny this as proof should review the demos again. The thing is, these weren't suspicious shots compiled from many different occasions but from two consecutive demos. It's either:

1) Not hacking - too many suspicious instances from two consecutive demos so I think that's ruled out.
2) Wall hack - potcha has been around long enough to know what an obvious wall hacker looks like so doubt he'd be foolish enough (being obvious) although some shots were questionable.
3) Wh + af - I think this would be the case for some of the shots already explained by pixel.

Anyways, I need to review them again just to be certain but as of now, I think if you gave these demos to the same refs that viewed his demos 4 years ago, they would agree.

Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:12 am Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha.

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stop making those video's. People need to watch the demo's themselves. Some people are judging by the video clips, it does have sound, but you can't hear everything you can in the demo. If you would like shownormal to prove anything then watch the whole DEMO with it and judge. Or simply watch the demo with sound and enemy models. Any more demo's of him?

Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:19 am Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha.

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Most people in this topic have watched the demos, I personally have.

I normally disregard youtube vids anyway as, like class said, it doesn't show the whole picture i.e. actions leading up to the shot, enemy models, sound etc. But in this case, with or without sound that one shot in the videos is the same as in the demos. E.g. potcha in yh, shoots at an enemy through the wall who is on the other side of quad.
If you look at this shot in the demo, its exactly the same. With sound (even though at times the enemy body was frozen) and enemy models (even though you couldn't see the body) and also looking at his actions leading up to the shot - that one shot is still the same - suspicious. If it occured once, I would have lol'd at the youtube vids. But the fact is, it actually occured several times in the same game/ consecutive games which makes it even more suspicious.

Anyways, it's not about that one shot, the other suspicious shots listed also need to be reviewed using the demos. As for now, I'll stay open minded unless there is no rational explanation for some of them shots.

Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:20 am Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha.

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You don't need to hear anything at 7:09; both bodies are frozen, and yet he still shoots one.

The parts you perceive to be clean are merely parts where he's toggled off.

With shownormals on you see him aim his crosshair at an enemy through a wall 20+ times and shoots at them over 10 times.

He also shoots at dead bodies in the open without seemingly any motive to reposition them.

Like I said, there are only 2 main reasons for why anyone would deem this clean; you either:

1) Support hacking in quake because:
  a) you were once a hacker
  b) you hack
  c) you want to see the community die

2) Be blinded by the fact that he hacks because:
  a) you're his friend/clanmate
  b) you're genuinely retarded

Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:20 am Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha.

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classic, more demos are not needed... ive watched both demos and both had suspicious shots in them but those 3 were the most OBVIOUS and there is nothing wrong with pixel posting those shots, it just gives the people who are too lazy to watch the whole demo a chance to see some of the shots we are talking about. and like others have said, you have to be retarded not to realize he is hacking.

Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:26 am Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha.

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As always, clans can make their own decisions as they see fit. Since he is an ex-hacker (I don't even care if it was 10 years ago let alone four or w/e), this decision is an easy one for us.

Yes, we have played ex-hackers in the past and still do. Scrims are basically practices between clans. This is a game, not sure why people don't play against certain people just because.

But, cheaters should be penalized.

Funny part is that he has not responded to this post. And yes, he has seen this. If someone posted a topic about me and I did not hack I would immediately say "I do not hack."

Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:56 am Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha.

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sketch wrote (View Post):

marlboro wrote (View Post):
-1. I was playing against him and he was suspicious.

Those close to being the dumbest thing I have ever read.

The first demo was sus, but not obvious like some people stated, the second demo was the same, apart from those 2 YH shots.

It was obvious. -1

Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:59 am Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha.

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I said some people, like kikyo. He might have watched them,but he said that the video made up his mind. More demo's if possible would be good, because its pretty hard to say hes hacking with like 4 dead bodies in quad every time hes heading from yh. Might be a coincidence, he shot at the stairs in yh, twice. And once again alot of dead bodies in quad..there was a dead body infront of his ch. Now take into consideration how hes moving. he moves with a slant might be the way his monitored is positioned. Making the crosshair to move slanted that is what It looks like, but it dont explain why he shot though, but could of been a coincidence.

I don't believe this is enough proof and would like more demo's or aleast would like potcha to come post about this.If he is hacking or not, I know there were more parts where some believe he might been hacking or autoing, but its sounds. Those yh shots where more suspicious to me than any other shots in the demos.You calling me retard because I asked for more demos? I find it funny, we all have faced him lately, but I dont think he was fishy. He has been playing for a while and has been decent in rail as far I know. Last time he was caught in a demo we taken when it was era vz kr. If I believe he has gotten a new pc and a good mouse over the time. That's all you need with experience, to do good. He is in sbs and they are a good clan, good tw. So I dont see why another demo to make sure if he is hacking or not be retarded.

I will tell you who is a retard. Who ever listens to shadow and get convince in what he says. He tried to convince us that merky is clean and now that potcha hacks.Like I said, I would like to see potcha come post and say something or if you have any more demos of him please post them.

Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:22 am Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha.

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cLa$$ic wrote (View Post):
Might be a coincidence, he shot at the stairs in yh, twice. And once again alot of dead bodies in quad..there was a dead body infront of his ch. Now take into consideration how hes moving. he moves with a slant might be the way his monitored is positioned. Making the crosshair to move slanted that is what It looks like, but it dont explain why he shot though, but could of been a coincidence.

1...2...3

THREE TIMES, not two. The ONLY times he shoots the yh stairs are when there's an enemy directly in his crosshair. You can only attribute the shots to coincidence if he had made a yh stair shot any other time in the demo when an enemy wasn't behind it, but he didn't, so therefore, you can't.

Coincidence ruled out. You have a brain, no matter how small it is, it still functions somewhat. Use it please.

cLa$$ic wrote (View Post):

I don't believe this is enough proof and would like more demo's or aleast would like potcha to come post about this.If he is hacking or not, I know there were more parts where some believe he might been hacking or autoing, but its sounds.

Yeah, because we allllll know frozen bodies can make sounds that cause you to shoot at them in the open and through walls. (sarcasm)

cLa$$ic wrote (View Post):

I will tell you who is a retard. Who ever listens to shadow and get convince in what he says. He tried to convince us that merky is clean and now that potcha hacks.Like I said, I would like to see potcha come post and say something or if you have any more demos of him please post them

Retards are people who can't count to three, like you just failed to do. These demos of potcha are more conclusive than any demos of merky could ever be, but you want to see something even more conclusive than potcha hacking?

http://obligated2own.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1443&start=0
http://dev1ance.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1777

You hacking.

Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:28 am Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha.

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Classic don't be a retard trying to defend him, it's obvious. It's funny how you accuse merky all the time, but defend this guy. Even though it's fucking obvious he's hacking.

Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:31 am Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha.

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continuing to demo him now after making a topic about him would be pointless, unless he is a complete idiot and doesn't care to be caught. all the times i spec people in yh or even in my own experiences i never have mistakenly shot the stairs in yh while trying to shoot in quad. i hit the walls and i have hit the floor but never the stairs, and especially not wen there were dead bodies on the other end of the wall. and you mention he has experience, which he does, but he just came back to the game for a little bit over a week and he already has a topic about him because as soon as he comes back after a REALLY long break he just "owns"? doubtful

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