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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:12 am Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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 havent  read  the  topic  yet  but:
 unlike  the  sheep  test,  there  is  no  penalty  for  anticipating  clicks  even  if  its  too  soon  :P
 
 also  do  any  of  you  actually  use  the  older  CRT  monitors  that  don't  actually  have  a  delay  in  response  time?  My  good  monitor  broke  ageees  ago  and  haven't  bought  a  new  once  since  not  saying  that  a  ~5ms  time  advantage  or  whatever  all  your  monitors  take  is  a  huge  advantage  but  every  little  helps  ya  know
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:46 am Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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 jo,  my  point  is  that  it  still  doesnt  apply  valid  human  reaction  time  and  it  isn't  comparable  to  q3  skills:  shoot  earlier  in  q3  and  you  probably  end  up  hitting  a  wall  or  gonna  get  super  lucky  and  hit  first  pixel  of  enemy  hitbox.  I  agree  that  this  is  bad  test  though,  maybe  do  average  20  in  tests  that  also  count  failiures.
 
 I  asked  Chance  (Quake  3  /  Quake  Live  professional  player)  to  do  the  same  test  (out  of  20)
 
    18:39:03     [EG|chance]  192.94  with  my  lowest  at  164
    18:39:04     [EG|chance]  out  of  20
 
 I  don't  really  think  that  their  reaction  skills  are  better  than  chance's  who  probably  have  10x  more  gameplay  hours.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:25 am Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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 give  me  random  reaction  test  sites?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:07 am Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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 All  this  drama  after  one  week  of  not  checking  the  forums,  wow.
 
 I  think  o2o  should  stop  giving  a  shit  what  other  clans  think,  the  clan  has  been  around  long  enough  to  make  their  own  decisions  and  not  let  what  other  people  think  change  the  ways  we  recruit  people.
 
 But  if  dropping  merky  from  our  roster  is  what  will  allow  us  to  keep  scrimming  our  remaining  competition  (lol,  competition),  then  so  be  it.
 
 Merky  is  a  fantastic  player  and  I'm  sad  we  let  him  go.  But  the  scrubs  can  use  whatever  excuse  they  want  to  not  play  us  so  they  don't  look  terrible  or  more  terrible  than  they  already  are.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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 I  honestly  don't  understand  why  you  guys  removed  Merky/Hydro  (although  I  hear  hydro  was  being  a  bit  hott-headed  at  times,  but  that's  simply  hearsay).
 
 People  act  like  this  is  the  first  time  a  clan  achieved  a  status  of  being  so  "stacked"  even  clans  that  expected  to  give  them  a  close  game  got  crushed  usually...
 
 It  wasn't  that  long  ago  people  had  the  misery  of  being  spanked  by  slink/ray/chronic/hydro/night/etc  etc  with  vT  -  did  people  raise  eyebrows?   yes,  at  times.
 
 Did  people  bitch  out  to  the  point  they  stopped  playing  them?   No..
 
 Prior  to  that  we  all  had  the  joys  of  the  "eRa  reign".   It  wasn't  usually  very  fun  to  deal  with  classic/jorel/naruto/zenith/batard/meva/ray/halo/etc  etc
 Did  people  claim  hax  at  times?   Yes.   Do  people  still  believe  some  of  them  hack?   Sure.   Has  one  of  them  been  proven  to  be  a  hacker  in  hiding  for  the  past  few  years  (lol)?   Yes.
 
 Did  people  bitch  out  to  the  point  they  stopped  playing  them?
 No...
 
 I  don't  even  think  I  have  to  go  into  the  horror  oNu  was  for  basically  every  clan  in  our  community,  probably  the  closet  thing  to  "perfection"  a  clan  will  see  in  this  game  and  this  point  release.
 
 I  know  lots  of  people  thought  they  hacked,  they  were  so  far  ahead  of  the  game  with  config  tweaking  and  shit  that  the  fact  cgame  wasn't  a  common  thing  back  then  didn't  even  matter.   They  didn't  just  beat  people,  they  obliterated  them.   Yet  back  then  people  saw  it  as  a  challenge,  and  could  accept  the  fact  a  clan  was  simply  on  a  higher  level  than  themselves.
 
 Now  I  guess  since  the  community  only  has  10  or  11  legitmate  clan  presences  lesser  clans  feel  they  can  simply  block  out  1  of  their  peers  simply  because  they  claim  cheats  w/o  having  any  real  sufficient  proof  to  support  these  claims.   
 
 No,  I  don't  live  under  a  rock.   Everyone  who  has  been  on  a  Noghost  Forum  the  past  few  years  knows  there  has  been  plenty  written  about  Merky  and  a  few  people  made  it  a  personal  witchhunt  to  prove  he  isn't  for  real.   I'm  someone  who  has  always  been  stuck  in  the  middle.   There's  reason  to  suspect  him,  nobody  can  deny  that.   Key  made  this  point  once  before,  and  sha  reiterated  it  here  though.   To  be  that  dead  on  with  his  angling  for  his  railjumps  on  such  a  consistant  basis  makes  it  somewhat  easy  to  also  believe  he  can  be  that  consistant  when  he's  firing  at  enemies  as  opposed  to  walls  to  launch  him  into  the  previously  mentioned  railjumps.   
 
 The  comical  part  about  this  whole  mess  is  people  were  crying  that  o2o  hax  even  before  the  whole  merky/hydro  experiment.   From  an  outside  perspective  it  just  seems  this  was  the  opportunity  those  who  were  doing  the  crying  were  waiting  for.   You  haven't  proved  calie  hax  (if  he  does).   You  haven't  proved  zypher  hax  (if  he  does).   Other  than  those  2  I  cannot  recall  anyone  bringing  any  o2o  members  up  in  accusations.   Then  Merky  comes  along  and  these  same  people  accusing  zypher  and  calie  feel  they  are  finally  justified  in  blacklisting  o2o  on  their  scrimlists.   Speaking  as  a  member  of  a  clan  who  probably  has  the  biggest  Do  Not  Scrim  List  in  q3,  that's  just  weak.   Some  people  in  UE  don't  trust  certain  members  of  o2o,  but  we  don't  stop  playing  the  entire  clan.   Which  leads  me  say  the  clans  that  signed  off  on  the  intial  post  by  Lebron  just  needed  a  reason,  any  reason  to  stop  playing  o2o.
 
 Unfortunately  it  just  makes  you  guys  look  afraid  of  losing,  nothing  more.
 
 I  actually  would  have  been  interested  in  playing  o2o  with  those  2  apart  of  it.   It  couldn't  be  any  worse  than  playing  the  3  previous  clan  examples  I  used  earlier  in  the  posts.   Guess  this  is  what  the  community  is  now;  lots  of  kids  that  don't  want  a  challenge  and  when  one  arrives  they  have  difficulty  overcoming  they  simply  say,  "they  cheat,  we  won't  play  them".   
 
 So  glad  I'm  finally  on  my  way  out  of  this  mess  we  call  a  community.
 
   Smile  
 
 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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 Oh,  and  as  a  response  to  Classic  on  UE  forums  (I  can't  register  there  because  I'm  pretty  sure  po  would  ban  me  :>  ):
 
 If  you  consider  that  concrete  evidence,  the  evidence  that  key  posted  that  was  "pruned"  from  era  forums  was  10x  more  damning.  You  cannot  use  that  evidence  to  consider  merky  a  hacker  without  letting  the  entire  community  know  that  you  used  a  hack  and  dropped.  
 
 So  how  concrete  do  you  think  that  evidence  is  now?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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Voodoo  wrote  (View  Post):
All  this  drama  after  one  week  of  not  checking  the  forums,  wow.
 
 I  think  o2o  should  stop  giving  a  shit  what  other  clans  think,  the  clan  has  been  around  long  enough  to  make  their  own  decisions  and  not  let  what  other  people  think  change  the  ways  we  recruit  people.
 
 But  if  dropping  merky  from  our  roster  is  what  will  allow  us  to  keep  scrimming  our  remaining  competition  (lol,  competition),  then  so  be  it.
 
 Merky  is  a  fantastic  player  and  I'm  sad  we  let  him  go.  But  the  scrubs  can  use  whatever  excuse  they  want  to  not  play  us  so  they  don't  look  terrible  or  more  terrible  than  they  already  are.


 
 VooDoo...you  can  shut  your  dirty  mouth  and  sit  a  side...  if  you  don't  have  nothing  smart  to  say.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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dun7ez  wrote  (View  Post):
and  sit  a  side...  


 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:15 pm Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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 посиди  в  сторонке
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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dun7ez  wrote  (View  Post):
VooDoo...you  can  shut  your  dirty  mouth  and  sit  a  side...  if  you  don't  have  nothing  smart  to  say.


 
 Smart?  I  could  be  "smart"  and  point  out  your  grammatical  errors  if  you  would  like.
 
 Also,  this  is  my  clan's  forum  and  I  will  post  whatever  the  fuck  I  want.  I  have  no  clue  who  you  are,  but  I'm  guessing  you  are  just  some  terrible  scrub  not  even  worthy  of  getting  raped  in  a  scrim  by  any  of  o2o's  members.
 
 Please,  get  off  our  dicks  and  worry  about  your  own  clans.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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dun7ez  wrote  (View  Post):
посиди  в  сторонке

sit  on  the  sidelines
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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dun7ez  wrote  (View  Post):
Voodoo  wrote  (View  Post):
All  this  drama  after  one  week  of  not  checking  the  forums,  wow.
 
 I  think  o2o  should  stop  giving  a  shit  what  other  clans  think,  the  clan  has  been  around  long  enough  to  make  their  own  decisions  and  not  let  what  other  people  think  change  the  ways  we  recruit  people.
 
 But  if  dropping  merky  from  our  roster  is  what  will  allow  us  to  keep  scrimming  our  remaining  competition  (lol,  competition),  then  so  be  it.
 
 Merky  is  a  fantastic  player  and  I'm  sad  we  let  him  go.  But  the  scrubs  can  use  whatever  excuse  they  want  to  not  play  us  so  they  don't  look  terrible  or  more  terrible  than  they  already  are.


 
 VooDoo...you  can  shut  your  dirty  mouth  and  sit  a  side...  if  you  don't  have  nothing  smart  to  say.


 
 "Nothing  smart  to  say."  Lollllllllllllllllllllll.
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VooDoo...you  can  shut  your  dirty  mouth  and  sit  a  side...  if  you  don't  have  nothing  smart  to  say.


 
 Smart?  I  could  be  "smart"  and  point  out  your  grammatical  errors  if  you  would  like.
 
 Also,  this  is  my  clan's  forum  and  I  will  post  whatever  the  fuck  I  want.  I  have  no  clue  who  you  are,  but  I'm  guessing  you  are  just  some  terrible  scrub  not  even  worthy  of  getting  raped  in  a  scrim  by  any  of  o2o's  members.
 
 Please,  get  off  our  dicks  and  worry  about  your  own  clans.


 
 He's  len  from  sbs.  You  know...  the  guy  from  the  clan  that  accuses  90  percent  of  our  members  of  hacking.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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ReAper  wrote  (View  Post):
I  honestly  don't  understand  why  you  guys  removed  Merky/Hydro  (although  I  hear  hydro  was  being  a  bit  hott-headed  at  times,  but  that's  simply  hearsay).
 
 People  act  like  this  is  the  first  time  a  clan  achieved  a  status  of  being  so  "stacked"  even  clans  that  expected  to  give  them  a  close  game  got  crushed  usually...
 
 It  wasn't  that  long  ago  people  had  the  misery  of  being  spanked  by  slink/ray/chronic/hydro/night/etc  etc  with  vT  -  did  people  raise  eyebrows?   yes,  at  times.
 
 Did  people  bitch  out  to  the  point  they  stopped  playing  them?   No..
 
 Prior  to  that  we  all  had  the  joys  of  the  "eRa  reign".   It  wasn't  usually  very  fun  to  deal  with  classic/jorel/naruto/zenith/batard/meva/ray/halo/etc  etc
 Did  people  claim  hax  at  times?   Yes.   Do  people  still  believe  some  of  them  hack?   Sure.   Has  one  of  them  been  proven  to  be  a  hacker  in  hiding  for  the  past  few  years  (lol)?   Yes.
 
 Did  people  bitch  out  to  the  point  they  stopped  playing  them?
 No...
 
 I  don't  even  think  I  have  to  go  into  the  horror  oNu  was  for  basically  every  clan  in  our  community,  probably  the  closet  thing  to  "perfection"  a  clan  will  see  in  this  game  and  this  point  release.
 
 I  know  lots  of  people  thought  they  hacked,  they  were  so  far  ahead  of  the  game  with  config  tweaking  and  shit  that  the  fact  cgame  wasn't  a  common  thing  back  then  didn't  even  matter.   They  didn't  just  beat  people,  they  obliterated  them.   Yet  back  then  people  saw  it  as  a  challenge,  and  could  accept  the  fact  a  clan  was  simply  on  a  higher  level  than  themselves.
 
 Now  I  guess  since  the  community  only  has  10  or  11  legitmate  clan  presences  lesser  clans  feel  they  can  simply  block  out  1  of  their  peers  simply  because  they  claim  cheats  w/o  having  any  real  sufficient  proof  to  support  these  claims.   
 
 No,  I  don't  live  under  a  rock.   Everyone  who  has  been  on  a  Noghost  Forum  the  past  few  years  knows  there  has  been  plenty  written  about  Merky  and  a  few  people  made  it  a  personal  witchhunt  to  prove  he  isn't  for  real.   I'm  someone  who  has  always  been  stuck  in  the  middle.   There's  reason  to  suspect  him,  nobody  can  deny  that.   Key  made  this  point  once  before,  and  sha  reiterated  it  here  though.   To  be  that  dead  on  with  his  angling  for  his  railjumps  on  such  a  consistant  basis  makes  it  somewhat  easy  to  also  believe  he  can  be  that  consistant  when  he's  firing  at  enemies  as  opposed  to  walls  to  launch  him  into  the  previously  mentioned  railjumps.   
 
 The  comical  part  about  this  whole  mess  is  people  were  crying  that  o2o  hax  even  before  the  whole  merky/hydro  experiment.   From  an  outside  perspective  it  just  seems  this  was  the  opportunity  those  who  were  doing  the  crying  were  waiting  for.   You  haven't  proved  calie  hax  (if  he  does).   You  haven't  proved  zypher  hax  (if  he  does).   Other  than  those  2  I  cannot  recall  anyone  bringing  any  o2o  members  up  in  accusations.   Then  Merky  comes  along  and  these  same  people  accusing  zypher  and  calie  feel  they  are  finally  justified  in  blacklisting  o2o  on  their  scrimlists.   Speaking  as  a  member  of  a  clan  who  probably  has  the  biggest  Do  Not  Scrim  List  in  q3,  that's  just  weak.   Some  people  in  UE  don't  trust  certain  members  of  o2o,  but  we  don't  stop  playing  the  entire  clan.   Which  leads  me  say  the  clans  that  signed  off  on  the  intial  post  by  Lebron  just  needed  a  reason,  any  reason  to  stop  playing  o2o.
 
 Unfortunately  it  just  makes  you  guys  look  afraid  of  losing,  nothing  more.
 
 I  actually  would  have  been  interested  in  playing  o2o  with  those  2  apart  of  it.   It  couldn't  be  any  worse  than  playing  the  3  previous  clan  examples  I  used  earlier  in  the  posts.   Guess  this  is  what  the  community  is  now;  lots  of  kids  that  don't  want  a  challenge  and  when  one  arrives  they  have  difficulty  overcoming  they  simply  say,  "they  cheat,  we  won't  play  them".   
 
 So  glad  I'm  finally  on  my  way  out  of  this  mess  we  call  a  community.
 
   Smile  
 
 
 p.s.  didn't  realize  i  wrote  that  much,  if  there  are  typos  f*ck  it...


 
 
 
 
 
 Reaper...the  fact  that  you  brought  it  all  down  to  the  point  that  all  3  clans  are  simply  scared  to  get  owned...is  just  funny  and  IMO  is  the  easiest  explanation  of  the  situation  as  it  could  be...  so  at  some  point  its  stupid,  because  its  too  dam  easy.  
    It  is  sucks  to  loose  ...not  gonna  lie.  Its  just  too  obvious...but  I've  been  playing  against  o2o  for  years  now.  Why  would  i  all  of  a  sudden  change  my  mind?  If  you  can  see  only  one  side  of  the  story...than  you  cant  judge  correctly.
 
 We  stop  playing  them  until  April.  So  you  can  relax...no  one  said  about  stop  playing  them  at  all.  
 Calie/rjit  -  they  were  not  banned  or  kicked  -  we  don't  trust  them  and  wont  scrim  them  (at  least  me)  -  haven't  talk  to  the  members  yet.
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