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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:53 pm Post subject: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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 Ill  admit  here  and  now  I  may  be  crossing  lines  and  causing  a  war  of  words  and  if  so  lock  delete,  but  this  Merky  and  Hydro  thing  is  very  ridiciulous,  and  I  just  want  to  express  some  words  across  about  my  view  of  the  situation.
 
 First  as  it  was  stated  in  the  other  post  I  see  it  as  very  hypocritical  for  other  clans  to  be  bashing  o2o  for  recruiting  'hackers'  when  there  is  very  little  again  in  my  opinion  solid  proof  against  them.  As  ive  seen  a  few  clans  claim  to  high  heaven  someone  is  a  hacker  but  if  they  want  to  join  they're  clan  then  hell  they're  clean  and  they'll  fight  for  them  to  the  end  no  matter  who  is  accusing  them,  as  long  as  they're  in  my  clan.  
 
 As  for  Merky,  the  guy  has  been  playing  for  ages  and  he's  without  a  doubt  one  of  the  best  players  in  the  community  ,in  my  opinion,  yea  hes  a  bitch  to  play  against,  but  I  won't  jump  to  conclusions  about  him  cheating  simply  because  he  is  better  than  me.  For  me  there  is  no  soild  proof  against  him,  in  my  opinion.  
 Hydro  ive  played  with  for  quite  awhile,  I  won't  deny  his  attitude  can  be  weird  at  times,  but  im  sure  his  ego  will  be  over  the  moon  thanks  to  this  little  event,  three  clans  all  refusing  to  play  him  because  hes  a  'hacker'.  Again  no  solid  proof,  just  a  drop  from  a  config  which  alot  of  people  dropped  from  and  if  we're  going  to  use  that  list  by  the  book,  then  alot  of  players  won't  be  playing  for  along  time.  Also  he  has  a  pretty  tight  gaming  rig,  and  on  a  10  year  old  game  it  really  shows,  with  decent  sound  (which  is  what  quake  is  basicly  all  about  these  days)  and  graphics  it  really  shows  on  corners,  the  same  with  merky.  I  know  hydro  is  running  pretty  much  all  gaming  gear,  and  i'd  be  suprised  if  merky  isn't  the  same.
 
 Again  if  you  havn't  noticed  this  is  my  opinion,  and  ive  pretty  much  stated  that  after  everyline  since  alot  of  people  seem  to  misinterpret  alot  of  things  these  days,  this  has  nothing  to  do  with  o2o  and  the  only  reason  i  posted  it  here  as  it  concerns  these  forums  the  most.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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 bit  offtopic,  but  about  those  reaction  times  posted:
 human  reaction  time  starts  from  ~150ms,  so  it's  pretty  hard  to  believe  that  they  got  those  scores  without  anticipating  (clicking  before  they  see  green  image)[80ms  is  definitely  not  valid  human  reaction  time]
 
 EDIT:  "Simple  reaction  time  is  the  time  required  for  an  observer  to  respond  to  the  presence  of  a  stimulus.  For  example,  a  subject  might  be  asked  to  press  a  button  as  soon  as  a  light  or  sound  appears.  Mean  RT  for  college-age  individuals  is  about  160  milliseconds   to  detect  an  auditory  stimulus,  and  approximately  190  milliseconds  to  detect  visual  stimulus."  -Wikipedia
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:43 pm Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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killa|poo  wrote  (View  Post):
bit  offtopic,  but  about  those  reaction  times  posted:
 human  reaction  time  starts  from  ~150ms,  so  it's  pretty  hard  to  believe  that  they  got  those  scores  without  anticipating  (clicking  before  they  see  green  image)[80ms  is  definitely  not  valid  human  reaction  time]


 
 Of  course  they  were  anticipating.  In  quake  you  do  the  same  thing;  you  hear  footsteps  and  you  anticipate  where  the  enemy  is  going  to  be  and  shoot.  
 
 
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EDIT:  "Simple  reaction  time  is  the  time  required  for  an  observer  to  respond  to  the  presence  of  a  stimulus.  For  example,  a  subject  might  be  asked  to  press  a  button  as  soon  as  a  light  or  sound  appears.  Mean  RT  for  college-age  individuals  is  about  160  milliseconds  ┬áto  detect  an  auditory  stimulus,  and  approximately  190  milliseconds  to  detect  visual  stimulus."  -Wikipedia


 
 But  because  we've  all  been  playing  an  instagib  game  for  many  years,  it's  expected  for  our  reaction  times  to  be  faster  than  the  mean.  Also,  when  you're  accustomed  to  the  stimuli,  your  reaction  time  is  faster.
 
 See  following  video:  
 http://www.break.com/index/quasar.html
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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 i  wont  enter  in  this  hackers  things,  people  make  their  own  minds  about  it..
 
 but  those  reflex  tests
 
 i  did  it  and  honnestly,  i  doubt  someone  can  get  140-150  average  without  ''preshot''  like  we  say  on  quake..  
 
 still,  merky  was  in  a  lot  of  hackers  reliated  things..  some  hack  programer  too  on  xfire  friend  list..  etc.
 
 i  doubt  its  hard  to  hack  those  reflex  little  games
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:50 pm Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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 to  answer  ur  post  pixel:
 
 i  dont  know  if  you  play  DDR  or  guitar  hero,  but  most  of  the  fast  songs,  you  just  gotta  do  it  1000  times  and  get  to  know  it...  
 
 exemple:  i  can  do  all  the  metallica  songs  at  expert  on  guitar  hero  /  rock  band(same)  ....  i  did  it  actualy  (no  i  didnt  have  100%..  but  i  cleared  easy)
 
 edit:  anticape  is  not  what  i  call  real  reflexes  honnestly
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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Nicked  wrote  (View  Post):
to  answer  ur  post  pixel:
 
 i  dont  know  if  you  play  DDR  or  guitar  hero,  but  most  of  the  fast  songs,  you  just  gotta  do  it  1000  times  and  get  to  know  it...  
 


 
 If  you  closed  your  eyes  though,  you  wouldn't  be  able  to  do  the  song  at  that  speed  regardless.  You  are  still  reacting  to  visual  stimuli.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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 Which  could  be  related  to  quake,  we  play  the  same  map  constantly  and  after  time  we  learn  the  corners  and  can  anticipate/preshot  and  usually  hit  if  your  good  enough.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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 lol......  give  him  a  random  website,  i  can  guarantee  he'll  get  the  same  reflexes.   give  him  a  minute  to  take  it  twice,  and  then  ss  and  paste  it  into  paint  and  then  save  and  then  submit  it  to  you.   unless  you  think  of  course  merky  can  come  up  with  a  hack  in  a  matter  of  seconds  lol
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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 visual?  i  was  doing  it  only  with  the  sound  actualy
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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 You  play  guitar  hero/ddr  listening  to  sound  only?  lol...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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 i  do  both...  so  what  sup  with  that?  just  following  the  beat  of  the  sound..  pretty  easy  when  you  did  the  songs  over  100  times  lol
 
 oh..  and  here  is  the  proof  ur  test  is  bs..  i  did  that  after  my  third  time  trying
 
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:05 pm Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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 Hey,  if  that  blind  kid  on  the  news  years  back  could  play  video  games  with  just  the  use  of  sound,  then  anything  is  possible..  xD
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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Nicked  wrote  (View  Post):
i  do  both...  so  what  sup  with  that?  just  following  the  beat  of  the  sound..  pretty  easy  when  you  did  the  songs  over  100  times  lol
 
 oh..  and  here  is  the  proof  ur  test  is  bs..  i  did  that  after  my  third  time  trying
 
 


 
 Merky  had  60  clicks  recorded  with  an  average  of  about  130  ms.  You  had  3  clicks.  lol.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: Im sorry, but what? Reply with quote
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 sry  if  i  do  not  have  the  patience  to  try  to  cross  the  rules  of  that  reflex  test  60  times..  rofl
 
 i  personaly  also  did  it  without  preshot..  i  got  203  average  after  20
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 you  cant  prefire  in  the  sheep  test  or  you  get  a  penalty  lol
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