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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:46 pm Post subject: Regarding o2o's "New" cheater policy? Reply with quote
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 This  is  an  officle  letter  from  [i]nhuman,  sBs  and  its!
 We,  as  beeing  the  main  part  in  the  community,  were  shocked  about  the  fact  that  you  support  cheaters.  We  have  been  very  disappointed,  not  only  that  you  gave  hydro  and  especilly  Merky  a  T,  also  that  you  even  thought  about  adding  this  people  to  your  lineup.
 o2o  has  a  huge  history  in  the  game  and  had  a  really  big  name  in  this  community.  Not  many  cheaters  have  been  o2o  and  thats  what  people  make  think  o2o  is  one  of  the  cleanest  clans  around.  We  know  that  you  cared  alot  about  cheaters  in  past  and  that  is  why  we  were  even  more  shocked  to  see  you  support  cheat.  Merky  is  a  cheater  and  we  never  thought  you  motivation  to  win  would  cross  illegal  unmoral  lines.  But  you  disappointed  us  alot.  We  are  sure  that  this  wouldnt  have  been  Meganoobs  intention.
 
 For  this  reason  we  decided  not  to  scrim  you  anymore,  as  like  a  penalty  for  adding  Merky,  atleast  until  1st  of  April.  To  make  sure  we  will  not  extend  this  time,  we  want  a  full  and  officle  statement  from  you  about  your  reasons  taking  Merky  up  into  your  lineup.  
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: Regarding o2o's "New" cheater policy? Reply with quote
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 Since  no  one  else  is  on,  I'll  make  this  short.
 
 Merky  and  Hydro  have  been  removed  as  of  yesterday  because  of  all  the  drama  that  has  been  caused  inside  and  outside  of  the  clan.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:09 pm Post subject: Re: Regarding o2o's "New" cheater policy? Reply with quote
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 we  know  that  and  this  is  defently  not  enough  for  us.  we  want  a  full  explaination  about  this.  even  the  fact  you  had  them  just  for  a  short  time  on  the  roster  is  not  acceptable  at  all.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: Regarding o2o's "New" cheater policy? Reply with quote
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 Didnt  era  have  hydro  in  their  line  up  at  one  point?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: Regarding o2o's "New" cheater policy? Reply with quote
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 Imagine  for  a  second,  that  you  have  the  ability  to  pull  off  the  same  railjumps  that  he  can,  aim  with  the  same  precision  that  he  can,  and  match  the  reflexes  that  he  has.  What  kind  of  shots  do  you  expect  to  pull  off  in  a  TDM  match?  Normal,  mundane  shots?  Or  the  type  of  shots  that  he  makes  that  astonishes  people?
 
 What  you  don’t  know  about  him:
 Evidence  and  discussions  from  trusted  refs  in  the  community  suggest  he  is  clean.
 
 Another  one  of  his  reflex  tests  (can  be  found  on  era):  
 
 
 And  two  more  I  had  him  do  on  the  spot:
 
 
 
 Regarding  the  Quake  Live  ban:  Quake  Live  =/=  quake  3.  Yes,  he  was  banned  for  “altered  code,”  but  that  could  legitimately  mean  absolutely  anything.  Even  after  numerous  emails  sent  to  the  officials  of  qlive,  they  did  NOT  give  solid  evidence  that  indicated  a  hack.  Let  me  repeat:  There  is  NO  concrete  evidence  he  was  banned  for  a  hack.
 
 Before  you  judge,  please  think  of  this.  
 
 Many  clans  have  players  that  have  cheated  in  the  past  year,  finally  admitted  to  cheating  with  little  or  no  punishment,  or/and  dropped  in  1.32  or  another  version  of  q3  and  o2o  still  scrims  these  people  without  saying  anything.  For  the  most  part,  there  is  0  evidence  that  individuals  in  our  clan  cheat.  
 
 Here  is  further  evidence  that  indicates  Merky  does  NOT  use  a  hack  while  playing  quake  3:
 The  always  fire  test:  Basically  every  player  holds  down  the  fire  button  and  plays  the  entire  game  like  that.  Under  these  conditions,  it  is  impossible  to  use  an  autofire.  You  can  see  by  watching  the  demos  that  Merky  still  makes  the  same  types  of  shots  he  does  normally  and  while  playing  the  same  way.  
 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HRGF3B1I
 
 5  games  on  dm7  and  dm17  with  the  always  fire  test.  Merky  gets  first  in  each  one.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 More  always  fire  tests  with  Calie  playing  this  time:  
 http://www.4shared.com/file/240772647/85f08e5a/merkyfire.html
 
 
 
 
 You  can  see  that  even  while  holding  down  the  fire  button,  he  still  does  as  well,  if  not  better  than  the  players  playing  in  those  demos.  He  manages  to  die  a  lot  less  than  every  other  player  while  scoring  higher.
 Evidence  he  doesn’t  wallhack:
 http://www.xfire.com/video/13b24/
 He  still  makes  the  same  kind  of  shots  (with  40  fps).
 
 Autofire  +  wallhack  ruled  out.  The  only  possible  choice  left  is  aimbot,  which  would  probably  be  the  most  obvious,  so  I  think  we  could  rule  that  out  as  well.
 
 In  a  topic  I  posted  on  o2o  and  pwp  site,  I  had  many  of  you  do  a  reflex  test—here  are  Merky’s  results:
 
 
 
 His  average  of  60  clicks  was  131.8,  which  is  also  consistent  with  the  average  of  the  sheep  reaction  test.  
 
 Here  are  the  links  to  the  reflex  tests  so  that  you  may  try  yourself:  
 http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/index.php  
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sleep/sheep/reaction_version5.swf  
 
 Answers  to  expected  responses:  
 
 Response:  Lol,  sad  o2o  is  so  desperate  to  compete  with  other  clans  that  they  have  to  recruit  a  hacker.  
 
 Answer:  We  were  already  competing  on/above  the  level  of  all  the  other  clans.  If  anything,  recruiting  Merky  brings  activity  to  our  roster;  not  the  ability  to  “compete.”  There  is  also  no  concrete  evidence  that  he  hacks  either—there  are  merely  demos  of  him  where  people  were  quick  to  jump  to  conclusions  and  called  him  a  hacker.  
 
 Response:  We  will  no  longer  be  scrimming  o2o/merky.  
 
 Answer:  That’s  fine,  but  everyone  knows  that  it’s  not  because  you  think  we  have  hackers;  there’s  no  proof  whatsoever  that  he  hacks  or  any  of  us  hack.   It’s  more  of  the  fact  that  you  don’t  want  to  lose  which  you  will  show  the  community  by  not  scrimming  us.  
 
 Half  of  you  won’t  even  bother  looking  at  the  evidence  and  will  go  on  to  label  us  a  hacker  clan  anyway.  These  are  the  ignorant  ones.  For  the  other  half  that  do  take  a  close  examination,  you  will  conclude  the  same  thing  I  have:  Merky  is  clean.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: Regarding o2o's "New" cheater policy? Reply with quote
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 If  you  are  too  lazy  to  read,  the  best  evidence  in  my  opinion  are:
 
 -  The  8  always  fire  tests  (disproving  the  theory  of  him  auto  firing  because  hes  alawys  shooting)
 
 -The  reaction  tests  (showing  he  does  have  waaaay  beyond  average  reflexes)
 
 -The  xfire  vid  recording  of  him  (this  records  on  screen,  so  obviously  there  was  no  wall  hack  he  was  at  7  fpm  in  a  scrim  with  40  fps)
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:44 pm Post subject: Re: Regarding o2o's "New" cheater policy? Reply with quote
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 As  Calie  mentioned,  they  have  been  removed  from  the  roster.
 
 With  that  said,  your  post  is  extremely  hypocritical.
 
 I  will  use  one  clan  member  from  each  of  the  above  clans  as  an  example  why  (there  are  many  more  to  choose  from  but  you  will  get  my  point).
 
 Jorel  is  currently  a  T  for  Inhuman.  The  leaders  of  Inhuman  (previously  eRa),  hid  the  fact  that  Jorel  was  wo0w  from  the  community  for  three  years  (w/e  the  actual  time  was)  knowing  he  was  a  (ex)cheater.  A  slap  on  the  wrist  and  its  history.
 
 Axel  is  currently  scrimming  for  sbs  and  sometimes  hiding  as  candy.  He  knowingly  bypasses  bans  and  continues  to  be  rude  in  servers  (see  pwp  forums).  Oh,  and  he  has  cheated  some  think  multiple  times,  only  admitted  once.
 
 Papamidnight  is  one  of  the  leaders  (I  believe,  or  council  or  w/e)  of  its,  and  HAS  DROPPED  MULTIPLE  TIMES.  I  think  I  can  end  there.
 
 Have  we  stopped  scrimming  any  of  these  clans?  Nope.  
 
 Don't  the  above  have  alot  more  concrete  evidence  involved?  Yes.
 
 Also,  please  show  me  any  evidence  of  Merky  cheating  in  1.16.  We  scoured  demos  and  even  the  "cpc"  refs  found  nothing  to  deem  him  cheating  in  any  demos.  And  no,  this  information  was  not  "hacked",  we  were  told  by  a  "cpc"  ref.
 
 I  will  admit  Hydro  was  a  mistake,  more  because  of  his  bad  attitude.  He  did  drop  due  to  the  list  but  I  can  name  10  people  in  each  of  the  three  mentioned  clans  that  were  also  named  on  the  list.  
 
 You  can  sound  all  high  and  mighty  but  please  take  a  look  within  your  owns  clans  before  you  judge  others.
 
 Merky  and  Hydro  have  been  taken  care  of.  I  ask  that  you  each  take  care  of  your  own  problems.  We  have  moved  on.   We  will  respect  your  decision  to  not  scrim  us  until  April  1.  If  you  wish  to  say  anything  more  on  this  topic.Please  speak  to  me  on  xfire.  
 
 
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: Regarding o2o's "New" cheater policy? Reply with quote
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 o2o  is  still  the  cleanest  clan  around  because  our  full  members  are  clean  (except  for  calie),  and  the  2  players  mentioned  were  just  trainees.
 
 while  i  can't  say  i  supported  the  decision  to  have  the  2  in  question  as  trainees,  i  also  do  not  see  a  reason  why  we  have  to  provide  an  "officle"  statement  regarding  why  it  happened.   no  offense,  as  i'm  trying  really  hard  not  to  start  a  flame  war  here,  but  do  we  ask  your  clans  to  justify  to  the  o2o  council  why  you  may  have  ex-hax0rs  in  your  FULL  lineup  before  we  scrim  you?
 
 anyways,  i  don't  want  to  ruin  scrimming  for  others  in  the  clan  for  making  these  statements  so  just  understand  this  is  my  opinion  and  my  opinion  alone.   others  in  the  clan  may  disagree  :P
 
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 oh,  and  sha,  you're  retarded.   nobody  wants  to  read  that,  including  me.
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