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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: O-B-A-M-A

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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: O-B-A-M-A

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--Riddick-- wrote (View Post):
Right...because not everybody deserves to have good money...only the ones who have the ability to earn that money deserve it...right? Think

Right, my parents and relatives are very wealthy because they worked their asses off and still are. Why should their money have to go to those who havent worked as hard?

Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: O-B-A-M-A

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Voodoo wrote (View Post):

--Riddick-- wrote (View Post):
Right...because not everybody deserves to have good money...only the ones who have the ability to earn that money deserve it...right? Think

Right, my parents and relatives are very wealthy because they worked their asses off and still are. Why should their money have to go to those who havent worked as hard?

Because drug kings are illegal!!! Smile

Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: O-B-A-M-A

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Jesus wrote (View Post):

Voodoo wrote (View Post):

--Riddick-- wrote (View Post):
Right...because not everybody deserves to have good money...only the ones who have the ability to earn that money deserve it...right? Think

Right, my parents and relatives are very wealthy because they worked their asses off and still are. Why should their money have to go to those who havent worked as hard?

Because drug kings are illegal!!! Smile

No Because not everyone that work as hard as ur families are honest with tax....
When I was in California, that dude was living in a house worth 10time my aunt house, and he was under low income....
Im sure if everyone pay their tax like they should... ur parent wouldn't be paying that extra part....

Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: O-B-A-M-A

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Voodoo wrote (View Post):

--Riddick-- wrote (View Post):
Right...because not everybody deserves to have good money...only the ones who have the ability to earn that money deserve it...right? Think

Right, my parents and relatives are very wealthy because they worked their asses off and still are. Why should their money have to go to those who havent worked as hard?

Not everyone is as fortunate as your parents and relatives. It doesn't matter how hard people work or don't work. Obama wants to spread wealth across the middle class because he recognizes that there a lot of people who don't have money. He wants to help the people who don't have as much money as others (I'm avoiding using the word poor). He's not saying "Oh, look at these people they busted their asses off. Let's take their money and give it to these fat asses who never lifted a finger in their life." He wants to help those who are not as fortunate as people like your family, how is that a bad thing? Unless you consider altruism a negative quality...

Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject: Re: O-B-A-M-A

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Yeah.. I totally agree Riddick. If you listened to his speech upon being elected, it was very moving and he considered every point carefully as if he respected everyone as a whole and wanted them to be ready for what would lie ahead. He also noted how much he would rely on others for advice instead of just jumping to conclusions on his own which is good.

To be honest, If he sticks by all he has mentioned earlier, this should turn out to be a good presidency.. I can tell ya that much ^^

Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: Re: O-B-A-M-A

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You cannot take his use of "spreading the wealth" literally. He is not taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor a la Robin Hood. He will cut taxes under $250,000 and raise or keep them where they are for $250,000+.

The taxes go towards schools/roads/etc not too the "poor" people.

Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:29 am Post subject: Re: O-B-A-M-A

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You say that like my parents got lucky, my mom's mom had six children and lived on a lower income, it was tough for them. Anyone can do what my parents did and work hard to get to a high position no matter where they started. The best story would be my uncle on my dad's side of the family though. He dropped out of high school and left his parents house and worked in a lure factory sweeping floors. He lived in a shack and had a hard time finding a meal everyday. Now he's the owner of the lure company and had millions on top of multiple houses, cars and boats. He finished high school eventually and got his masters degree in business. My uncle never had any handouts, welfare, food stamps ect... I don't understand how you can say it's not about how hard you work, because quite frankly that's bullshit.

Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:31 am Post subject: Re: O-B-A-M-A

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Obama's tax plan is exactly what Bill Clinton did when he was in office. And what did that create? One of the best economies in the history of the United States. A far cry from where we are now.

Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:33 am Post subject: Re: O-B-A-M-A

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You say that anybody can become successful?   Sorry but you're living in a fantasy world filled with delusions.   Everybody deserves to be successful, sure...but it has nothing to do with what people deserve.   We get what we get and what happens happens, but as individuals and as a whole, if there is any way that we can make society better and more equal, even by the smallest of margins, we should take it.   Frankly, I believe that you just like being greedy and selfish.

Also, I never said it wasn't about how hard you worked lol.   People who work hard to do what they've done are rewarded and they should be, that doesn't mean they deserve to be put ahead of others.   I don't mean that your parents got lucky, I mean that they are lucky.   You have to be the right kind of person, with the right kind of resources, with the right kind of opportunity to do great things.   Why should the people who don't aspire to become owners of companies, the ones who have a passion in a field that doesn't generate as much money and opportunities as others suffer?

I'm going to stop now because I don't want this to turn into a great big debate but if you want to say something to me you can PM me or talk to me on MSN.   I'm Canadian so I don't have the best understanding of everything that is happening but I find your argument incredibly selfish and stupid -_-.

Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: Re: O-B-A-M-A

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life is not about money.
life is about enjoying what you do.
what we need is an environment where everyone has an equal opportunity to do what ever they want (within reason you sick bastards).
what socialism does is change the purpose of life from making money to something more spiritual (in a sense). life is no longer about surviving, it is about advancing your understanding of reality.

now socialism doesn't work in practice, and even in theory it is not perfect. but what we have now, and even what obama wants is nothing anywhere near socialism.
but obamas plan is closer to the good parts. where people do not have to worry about not going to the doctor because they don't have the money. i personally have not gone to the doctor in years (even when i should have) because i cannot afford it. i am paying for school, food, car, rent, cellphone--in fact i am almost entirely on my own. but i could not afford to go to the doctor for fear that i couldn't pay rent one month, or pay tuition next semester. yet the person sitting next to me goes every time they feel sick, gets dentist check ups regularly, and is not even a full time student.
this is fucking ridiculous.
look at mccain. he hasn't had a hard days work in his life. he was bottom of his class at the naval academy, he was only in the war in which he was a pow because of his father. he had already crashed god knows how many planes (more than one, thats for damned sure). if you were mccain's commanding officer, would you let him fly after the first crash? maybe, but the second? third? especially not with his record as a trouble maker.
i know grades and rank mean nothing, and mistakes happen, but of your own ideals, voo, obama rose from nothing. he as close to epitomizes the american dream as i have ever seen.

my parents are smart, but they care more about living than about making money. they have lived full lives, even though they are poor. i would trade wealth for life experience any day. what needs to happen is the abolition of that dichotomy. one needs to not worry about what to do if they're sick. the answer should be obviously and unequivocally to a visit to the doctor.
there is no way in hell mccain would understand that, being babied by his father's reputation.

if you can put aside your bias against him, and watch the next four years, please compare them with bush. you will see a president, as opposed to an imbecile, then ask your self why you align yourself with the republican party who elected bush as their candidate.

Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: O-B-A-M-A

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Sigh.. i completely agree with voodoo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9XKOIvpa8s

Watch that video and you'll see that it is bullshit that some people can't figure out a way to be successful.. it's lazyness that causes this belief. Anyone in this world has a chance to make it big, but they can't just sit at home dreaming, they have to go out and get it. Voo's uncle didn't just sit at home in a shed and have some business man come up and give him his entire business. Voo's uncle probably worked his ass off to go out and get it. Riddick, it is somewhat selfish to believe this, but it is also ignorant to not even in the slightest bit agree that people aren't ALWAYS given or not given opportunity, it is the people that seek it that come out on top.

Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: Re: O-B-A-M-A

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Riddick has got the best point out there.

It's just plain greed and selfishness that makes people dislike the concept of raising the taxes for those who make over $250,000 a year.

Most state jobs are only $50,000 - $100,000 a year. Teachers, police officers, fire fighters, etc, the real heroes of our cities don't even make $250,000 a year.

Christ, our own president only makes $400,000 a year lol.

Voodoo, your family might have worked hard for their wealth but there are people out there working 2-3 jobs and still making under $40,000 a year trying to build and support a family. What kind of a life is that? And you're saying they aren't working hard to put food on the table? I think they work ten times harder then any upscale manager of a million dollar a year company.

It's like someone else said. Not everyone has the perfect timing to make it in the world. Some people just don't know the right people to do it. And it's not like there is an unlimited number of positions open to make so much money in. There's only so many managerial/CEO positions per company, and how many people in the USA?

I personally would rather be taxed to help at least 1 honestly struggling person out of 10 people who are living in poverty, or may be abusing the government funded programs to help people living in poverty.

And as a minor working from 16 we start to get taxed. What's funny is the entire American revolution revolved around no taxation without representation, yet there's 2 years of getting taxed and not being able to vote for the people who tax us.

Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:28 pm Post subject: Re: O-B-A-M-A

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We finally r gettin rid of retard G. Bush Very Happy

Go Obama

Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: Re: O-B-A-M-A

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i tried arguing for obama in pwp forums, everyone turned against me.
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id type it again, but im lazy.

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