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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: intel i7 yes no Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: intel i7 yes no Reply with quote
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 Ahh  came  probably  too  late  to  give  you  tips.
 
 Before  I  got  screwed  over,  I  was  actually  putting  tons  of  research  into  computer  hardware  to  build  a  new  rig  for  myself  for  BF3.  I'm  writing  this  up  for  you  of  my  own  opinion  for  your  PC  trouble  SOLELY  based  for  gaming  needs.
 
 The  quick  answer  to  your  question  (i7  yes  or  no)  is  actually  no.
 
 If  you  looks  into  any  benchmarks  whether  it  is  from  Tom's  Hardware  or  Guuru3d  or  any  other  site  you  will  see  it  makes  NO  sense  to  get  an  i7  for  gaming.  It  only  makes  sense  for  video  editing  (render  times)  where  the  i7s  hyperthreading  and  2mb  of  extra  cache  makes  a  difference.  The  primary  thing  that  limits  your  gaming  performance  is  your  GPU.
 
 To  give  you  a  perspective  I  bought  my  computer  years  ago  with  a  2.13  ghz  dual  core  (E6400  I  think?)  and  the  nVidia  7900GS  GPU.  Eventually  my  rig  became  really  outdated  and  I  couldn't  even  remotely  think  about  playing  games  like  Crysis  2.  All  I  did  was  upgrade  from  2gb  to  4gb  of  ram  and  got  myself  an  ATI  4870  card.  Went  from  a  PC  that  is  unable  to  play  Crysis  2  to  a  PC  that  played  it  decently  on  high  settings.  Same  case  with  your  rig.  If  you  play  BF3  now,  you  will  play  low-medium  settings  with  the  4870.  Upgrade  to  ATi  6970  or  GTX  570  and  you  will  play  at  high-max  settings  as  long  as  the  GPU  isn't  bottlenecked.
 
 I'd  either  stick  with  your  current  CPU  or  get  the  i5  2500k  and  save  yourself  $100.  I  would  do  some  research  and  just  see  if  your  CPU  doesn't  bottleneck  a  card  (most  likely  doesn't).
 
 I  actually  had  this  talk  with  Mega  before  and  although  his  opinion  is  to  pick  i7  to  "futureproof"  yourself,  I  personally  think  by  the  time  games  will  actually  take  advantage  of  the  current  i7  quirks,  the  next  2  generations  of  processors  will  be  out  and  the  mid  ranges  i5  will  blow  the  current  i7  out  of  the  water  anyway.
 
 Quick  recap
 
 "So,  there  are  2  generations  of  i7,  right  ?
 -  Which  one  to  go  for  ?  If  I  choose  the  1st  generation,  how  are  the  processors  called  ?  Intel  i7  920  ?
 -  And  what  about  the  2nd  generation  ?  How  are  these  processors  called  ?  I've  seen  one  for  999.99$,  whcih  was  called  990x  or  something...I've  got  money  for  that,  but  my  question  is  -  is  it  worth  it,  and  is  all  that  computing  power  needed  ?  Very  Happy
 -  Does  the  motherboard  play  a  distinct  role  ?
 -  And  what  is  the  minimum  ammount  of  ram  for  such  rig  ?  6gb  ?  "
 
 1.  Yes,  see  Mega's  post  for  more  details  on  the  chipset.  I  personally  recommend  Sandy  Bridge  chipsets  which  is  processors  like  the  i5  2500k  and  i7  2600k.
 
 2.  See  Mega's  post  again,  it  is  like  the  920s.  Definitely  better  go  with  the  Sandy  Bridge  option  for  efficiency  and  just  best  bang  for  the  buck  though.  Please  don't  spend  a  grand  on  a  processor  or  even  more  than  $300  because  you  will  literally  see  little  to  no  difference  in  gaming  or  normal  computer  use.
 
 3.  MB  plays  a  very  distinctive  role.  Check  the  model  you  have  and  see  if  it  is  compatible  with  the  Sandy  Bridge  chipset.  As  for  right  Mobo  for  the  GPU,  I  don't  think  the  PCI  slots  changed  recently  so  it  doesn't  matter?  I  could  be  wrong.
 
 4.  Ram  is  CHEAP!  Get  G.Skill  Ripjaw  2x4GB  1600mhz  ram  and  you're  set!  If  you're  getting  6,  get  2x3GB  (not  3x2GB)  and  you'll  be  fine  as  well.  Getting  more  than  8GB  actually  shows  VERY  SLIGHT  performance  decrease  in  gaming.
 
 
 Conclusion?  Think  GPU  NOT  CPU  if  you're  looking  for  gaming.  Say  you  keep  your  specs  constant  and  only  upgrade  your  CPU  (to  an  i7),  I  don't  expect  more  than  a  10-15  frames  per  second  increase  (at  best)  while  the  GPU  will  let  you  play  at  much  higher  settings  AND  higher  frames  per  second.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: intel i7 yes no Reply with quote
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 Woah,  that  was  most  informotivating,  N!ke  Very Happy
 
 It's  really  hard  to  make  a  solid  decision,  when  you've  got  the  funds  to  get  almost  any  CPU  or  GPU  out  there,  and  it's  really  hard  to  take  the  i5  instead  of  i7,  since  it's  probably  my  last  PC  for  gaming-and-all-round,  ever.  Wanna  make  it  last  as  long  as  I  can.
 
 And  I'm  really  thinking  of  putting  in  some  sort  of  beast  GPU  in  it.  
 *Insert-a-suggestion-of-the-most-powerful-dual-GPU-cards-here*,  would  those  be  Geforce  GTX  590  ?  
 
 
 My  problem  with  myself  is  that  I  want  to  run  BF3  on  max,  and  I've  heard  that  people  struggled  a  little  with  the  single  GTX  590  on  ultra  @  BF3  beta,  and  the  developers  commented,  that  Beta's  ultra  is  the  full  game's  medium.  
 
 So  I  guess  this  boils  down  to  this:
 
   -  0.  I  get  the  cheapest  deal  possible  -  AMD  cpu  that  is  adequate   to  i5  2500k,  and  HD  6950  with  6  gb  of  RAM  (  and  then  go  wondering,  will  BF3  run  good  on  it,  and  will  I  be  able  to  upgrade  it  in  the  future  )
   -  1.  I  get  the  i5  2500k  +  single  GTX590  (or  ATI  adequate)
   -  2.  I  get  the  i5  2500k  +  double  GTX590  (any  bottleneck  there  ?  powerconsumption  :O  ?)
   -  3.  I  get  the  i7  2600k  +  single  GTX590  (and  hope  to  get  a  good  card  after  half  of  the  year  or  even  later)
   -  4.  I  get  the  i7  2600k  +  double  GTX590  (  i  go  bankrupt  on  the  electricity  bill,  but  FML  Very Happy)
 
 
 Any  better  suggestions  ?  
 Im  currently  waiting  on  my  guy  to  answer  my  e-mail,  cant  catch  him  anywhere.  Dont  even  know  the  current  situation  in  the  warehouse.
 
 
 And   thanks  a  great  bunch  guys,  wouldnt  know  what  to  do  without  these  magic   tips  !
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: intel i7 yes no Reply with quote
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 you  don't  need  dual  gpu's  unless  your  on  a  30"  2560  x  1600  monitor.  most  are  ~1080p  and  a  single  590  should  spank  that  pretty  good.  As  for  the  cpu  between  me  and  N!ke  we  have  pretty  much  detailed  everything  you  need  to  know  to  make  a  decent  judgment  on  it  based  on  your  needs.  =)
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: intel i7 yes no Reply with quote
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Meganoob  wrote  (View  Post):
you  don't  need  dual  gpu's  unless  your  on  a  30"  2560  x  1600  monitor.  most  are  ~1080p  and  a  single  590  should  spank  that  pretty  good.  As  for  the  cpu  between  me  and  N!ke  we  have  pretty  much  detailed  everything  you  need  to  know  to  make  a  decent  judgment  on  it  based  on  your  needs.  =)


 
 You've  managed  to  confuse  me  mega  :<
 
 http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/113565-25-will-ultra#t688467
 
 Says  you  need  2  SLI  GTX  580's  (to  run  it  on  ultra).  That's  like  woah.  
 And  I'm  thinking  of  running  it  on  1920x1080,  default  resolution  for  my  monitor.  
 
 I  wonder  if  my  guy  even  has  anything  as  SLI  cards.  To  buy  such  a  beast  -  that  is  no  problem  to  me,  but  what  scares  me  is  the  power  consumption,  because  I  work  quite  a  lot  with  Photoshop/InDesign  and  other  Adobe  products,  which  is  same  as  PC  idle  time.  
 
 Anyone  to  dare  and  compare  power  consumption  for  this  beast  to  e8400  dual  core  +  HD4870  ?  2  times  more  ?  3  ?  
 
 Anyone  ?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:11 am Post subject: Re: intel i7 yes no Reply with quote
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 If  you  have  a  higher  budget  to  play  with,  more  power  to  you.  Definitely  go  for  the  i7  2600k.  Powerful,  efficient,  runs  cool,  and  its  ezcake  to  overclock.  I  would  get  it  too  simply  for  bragging  rights  if  I  had  the  money.  However,  don't  skimp  out  on  a  mobo  or  a  powersupply  just  because  you  wanted  a  better  CPU.
 
 I  also  almost  shat  myself  when  I  see  that  you  have  SLI  GTX  590  as  an  option.  Correct  me  if  I  am  wrong,  but  I  believe  that  card  is  already  a  dual  GPU  so  TECHNICALLY  that's  like  putting  four  cards  in  SLI.  If  you're  playing  BF3  on  3  50inch  TVs,  then  a  SLI  590  setup  will  be  necessary  haha.  To  give  you  a  perspective,  Skap  was  able  to  play  the  game  on  max  with  his  ATI  5970  and  when  he  changed  his  setting  from  ultra  to  high  he  kept  100+  frames  per  second.  I  think  this  might  help  you  out  a  lot.
 
 
 
 As  you  can  see,  max  is  multiscreen  and  3d  monitors.  A  GTX  570  and  a  ATI  6970  can  run  this  game  on  ultra  (highest  possible  settings  without  getting  into  3d  or  multiscreens).  Again,  if  you  have  a  higher  budget  then  you  can  go  for  the  GTX  580  which  is  an  insane  card.  590  GTX  is  just  too  much  in  my  eyes  whether  it  is  cost  or  performance,  and  I  believe  it  costs  like  $800.  Completely  overkill.
 
 Seeing  that  you  have  a  decent  budget  this  is  what  I  would  go  with
 
 i7  2600k
 GTX  570  (or  GTX  580  but  that's  $500)
 8GB  1600mhz  ram  (I  recommend  G.SKill  Ripjaw,  newegg  has  AWESOME  reviews  for  them)
 Asus  P67  or  Z68  mobo
 750  powersupply
 
 This  set  up  would  play  BF3  maxed  out....
 
 I'll  add  more  later  but  laptop  battery  dying....


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:11 am Post subject: Re: intel i7 yes no Reply with quote
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 Woah,  you're  killing  me  man.  I  really  appreciate  the  help.
 
 I've  phoned  the  guy  at  the  warehouse,  and  he's  busy,  can't  be  of  help  right  now.  But  what  he  said  he'd  do,  is  give  me  a  log-in  into  their  system,  so  I  can  see  everything  that  is  available.  Currently  waiting  on  an  email.
 
 If  it's  not  too  much,  then  when  I  have  the  access  to  those  database  numbers,  I'll  post  here  the  choices  I  have.  
 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:37 am Post subject: Re: intel i7 yes no Reply with quote
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Godl1ke  wrote  (View  Post):
Woah,  you're  killing  me  man.  I  really  appreciate  the  help.
 
 I've  phoned  the  guy  at  the  warehouse,  and  he's  busy,  can't  be  of  help  right  now.  But  what  he  said  he'd  do,  is  give  me  a  log-in  into  their  system,  so  I  can  see  everything  that  is  available.  Currently  waiting  on  an  email.
 
 If  it's  not  too  much,  then  when  I  have  the  access  to  those  database  numbers,  I'll  post  here  the  choices  I  have.  
 
 Ty  :P


 
 
 I'm  glad  I  can  help.  I  literally  spent  hours  doing  research  because  I  was  planning  to  build  a  rig  for  myself  for  BF3  but  I  got  a  budget  cut.  Figure  I  put  some  use  of  doing  all  that  research  into  helping  someone  out  if  I  can't  take  advantage  of  it  myself.  I  do  have  a  grand  to  play  with  which  can  easily  get  me  ultra  settings  on  BF3  (same  spec  I  mentioned  above  to  you  but  CPU  i5  2500k  and  GPU  is  GTX  570)  but  I  am  still  waiting  for  final  release  of  the  game  and  play  with  it  at  my  friend's  house  to  decide  for  sure.  It's  hard  to  justify  spending  $1k  on  a  single  game  so  it  must  truly  amaze  me  (as  well  as  others  because  playing  BF  games  by  yourself  is  totally  lame).
 
 Another  tip  I  can  give  you  is  once  you  have  the  list  of  all  the  parts  from  the  warehouse,  compare  them  not  only  to  the  prices  of  newegg,  but  look  at  newegg  reviews  to  make  sure  you  don't  get  some  garbage  item.
 
 As  for  the  power  consumption,  are  you  asking  what  rating  power  supply  you  should  get  or  just  worried  about  your  electric  bill?  I  don't  have  a  huge  knowledge  in  this  but  from  what  I  heard  the  i7  is  pretty  efficient  but  it's  the  high  end  GPU  that  need  lots  of  power,  especially  under  strain  that  BF3  will  put  them  through.  I'd  guess  a  good  650W  supply  would  do  for  the  spec  I  mentioned  above  but  I'm  always  skeptical  so  I  go  100W  more  then  I  think  I'd  need.  I'm  gonna  let  Mega  or  someone  else  give  you  tips  on  that  though,  I'm  not  too  good  with  PSUs.
 
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 "developers  commented,  that  Beta's  ultra  is  the  full  game's  medium.  "
 Where  did  you  hear  that?  I  have  a  difficult  time  believing  that  but  if  you  found  this  from  a  reputable  source  than  everything  I  told  you  could  be  entirely  false  haha
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: intel i7 yes no Reply with quote
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N!ke  wrote  (View  Post):

 I'm  glad  I  can  help.  


 
 =D  
 You've  got  no  idea  how  glad  I  am.
 
 
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 Another  tip  I  can  give  you  is  once  you  have  the  list  of  all  the  parts  from  the  warehouse,  compare  them  not  only  to  the  prices  of  newegg,  but  look  at  newegg  reviews  to  make  sure  you  don't  get  some  garbage  item.


 
 I've  checked  out  what  the  warehouse  has.  Prices  are  reasonable,  though...The  problem  is  choice.  Which  is  very  limited.
 
 Newegg  wont  work  for  me  probably.  I'd  die  waiting  for  shipment,  that's  one  thing,  the  other  is  shipping  price  (newegg  is  USA  ?  so  they'd  have  to  ship  stuff  to  Europe,  and  oh  my  god  if  something  was  wrong  with  the  product  itself  or  w/e...shipping  back  etc.  sounds  like  a  no  no).
 Also,  from  what  I've  seen  so  far,  I'm  almost  happy.
 
 I'll  try  cracking  down  ┬áthat  semi-huge  list  to  more  compact  one,  and  I'll  post  it  here.  Most  stuff  I've  figured  out  from  what  Mega  and  you  guys  gave  me  to  think  about,  the  problem  for  me,  as  usual,  is  MOBO's  and  RAM's,  because  I've  had  trouble  with  those  before.
 
 
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 As  for  the  power  consumption,  are  you  asking  what  rating  power  supply  you  should  get  or  just  worried  about  your  electric  bill?  


 
 The  bill  is  the  thing  that  scares  me.  I  dont  really  game  that  much,  but  PC  is  mostly  on  through  evenings,  music+studies  etc.  I  think  I'll  just  have  to  manage  somehow.  
 
 
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 "developers  commented,  that  Beta's  ultra  is  the  full  game's  medium.  "
 Where  did  you  hear  that?  I  have  a  difficult  time  believing  that  but  if  you  found  this  from  a  reputable  source  than  everything  I  told  you  could  be  entirely  false  haha


 
 I've  read  several  dozen  of  posts  on  different  internet  sources  about  DICE  themselves  tweeting  about  this.  Later  on  it  seems  that  they  changed  their  minds,  and  noted,  that  the  -medium-  should  actually  be  -high-,  and  then  again,  someone  denied  it  on  their  twitter.  
 
 
 
 Currently  I'm  thinking  about  i7  2600k  +  GTX  590  
 I'll  do  the  list  tomorrow,  gotta  get  some  sleep,  big  day  comin  up.
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 Hi  again.
 
 Got  the  list,  gonna  try  and  narrow  and  make  it  as  simple  as  possible.  Bear  with  me  on  this  one.  
 
 

 
 So,  these  are  my  choices:
 
 Processors:
 
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INTEL  CORE  I5-2500K  3.3G  6M  LGA1155  BOX  ........  527.73
 INTEL  CORE  I7-950  3.06G  8M  LGA1366  BOX  ..........  631.25
 INTEL  CORE  I7-960  3.26G  8M  LGA1366  BOX  ..........  669.13
 INTEL  CORE  I7-2600  3.4G  8M  LGA1155  BOX  ..........  719.63
 INTEL  CORE  I7-2600K  3.4G  8M  LGA1155  BOX  ........  770.13


 
 Graphics  cards:
 
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MSI  HD  6870  PCI-E  1GB  GDDR5  2XDVI+2XDP  OC  .........  467.25
 ASUS  HD6970  DIRECTCU  II  PCI-E  2GB  GDDR-5  .............  927.89
 XFX  HD6850  PCI-E  820M  1GB  2XDVI/DP/HDMI  ............  532.24
 CLUB  3D  HD  6970  PCI-E  2GB  DDR5  COOLSTREAM  ........  856.80
 CLUB  3D  HD  6870X2  GDDR5  2048MB  ........................  1044.23
 ASUS  HD6990  PCI-E  4GB  GDDR-5  ..............................  1656.94
 
 PALIT  GTX  580  PCI-E  1536MB  2X  DVI+HDMI+DP  ..........  1156.46
 CLUB  3D  GTX  580  PCI-E  1536MB  GDDR5  2X  DVI  ..........  1202.20
 ASUS  GTX  580  DCII  PCI-E  1536MB  GDDR5  DP  ...............  1246.02
 MSI  GTX  580  PCI-E  1536MB  TWIN  FROZR  II  OC  ..............  1268.48
 PNY  GTX  580  PCI-E  1536M  GDDR5  2X  DVI+HDMI  ........  1299.00
 MSI  GTX  580  PCI-E  1536MB  GDDR5  LIGHTNING  ............  1302.98
 PALIT  GTX  580  PCI-E  3  GB  2X  DVI-I+DP+HDMI  .............  1408.42
 ASUS  GTX  590  PCI-E  3GB  GDDR5  ..................................  1736.47


 
 
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 This  is  ONE  problem  for  me.  There  is  a   huge  list  of  them  in  the  warehouse,  and  it  would  really  take  me  forever  to  edit  the  list.  Perhaps  I'll  just  make  a  .zip  with  html,  and  you  can  CTRL+F  easily  in  it.
 
 .zip  -->  http://www.mediafire.com/?xxhmuh6415b6xaf
 


 RAMs:
 
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Same  thing,  I  could've  narrowed  down  the  list  and  /quoted  it  here,  but  that  would've  taken  more  than  10  minutes,  hope  you  can  CTRL+F  easily
 
 .zip  -->  http://www.mediafire.com/?xc41o99x88rus71
 


 

 
 
 And  that  is  basicly  it.  There's  a  ton  of  GTX  580s  in  the  list,  but  I've  highlighted  my  choices  in  white,  if  it's  possible  to  get  those  kind  of  components  working  together.
 
 I  also  have  1  more  additional  question  ;D  :
   -  is  it  worth  buying  an  SSD  type  of  hard  drive,  instead  of  the  HDD's  we're  used  to  ?  Low  ammount  of  space  is  no  problem  to  me,  I  have  1  TB  external  +  more  storage  space  available.  The  question  is  -  is  the  speed  increase  that  significant  ?  Or  would  this  be  unnecessary  waste  of  money  ?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: intel i7 yes no Reply with quote
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 I  immediately  kill  anyone  who  has  an  SSD  and  then  steal  it  for  myself.  Use  it  for  your  OS  and  programs  and  you'll  never  be  able  to  go  back.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: intel i7 yes no Reply with quote
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 ahh  man!  i  came  too  late  to  this  thread!  i  was  going  to  say  exactly  everything  nike  said...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: intel i7 yes no Reply with quote
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 SSD  that  good  ?  :O
 
 And  ye,  skool,  nike  was  most  helpful.  No  cookie  4  u  tho  Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:09 am Post subject: Re: intel i7 yes no Reply with quote
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 You  definitely  won't  be  disappointed.
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 SSD  are  a  complete  waste  of  money.   I  have  one  and  I  kinda  wish  I  didn't.   They  have  high  fail  rates,  do  not  help  performance  on  games,  and  load  times  within  games  are  never  helped  since  games  rely  on  RAM  and  VRAM  not  write  speed  to  load  things  like  levels  and  textures.   This  is  very  apparent  in  multiplayer  games  where  the  level  won't  start  until  everyone  loads  in  anyway.   
 
 All  SSDs  help  with  are  boot  speeds  and  even  then  it's  not  worth  the  money.   They'll  help  load  a  game  from  windows  to  splash  screens  maybe  by  like  3  or  4  seconds  at  most.
 
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