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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha. Reply with quote
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Jesus  wrote  (View  Post):
What  you  do  not  know  is  that  this  topic  was  posted  for  a  couple  days  where  community  refs  were  able  to  view  and  make  comments  on  the  demos.  It  was  not  public.
 
 We  will  take  all  opinions  into  consideration,  which  is  why  this  is  in  a  public  forum.  We  will  not  take  consideration  to  posts  that  say  "I  played  him,  he  owned  me,  he  must  be  hacking"  or  "I  am  in  his  clan,  he  is  clean."
 
 It  is  odd  that  your  main  defenses  are:
 
 Get  admins  and  refs  to  review:  CHECK
 o2o  is  one  sided:
 
 Odd  that  you  didn't  say  "I  don't  hack".  Thank  you  for  posting.


 
 I  had  seen  the  demos  about  20  minutes  after  they  were  recorded  and  uploaded  on  to  megaupload,  which  was  on  april  4th  2010  the  same  night  those  games  were  played.
 
 This  topic  was  posted  on  The  5th  of  april  2010  which  in  reality  was  not  even  in  a  24  hour  period,  so  I  have  a  very  strong  reason  to  believe  that  the  demos  were  jumped  to  a  conclusion  by  your  clan.  I  know  for  a  fact  there  is  at  least  2  other  very  well  experience  respected  refs  who  have  yet  to  view  the  demos,  so  in  other  words  it  was  not  posted  for  2  days  before  the  5th  and  opinionated  on.
 
 If  me  saying  "I  don't  hack"  will  help  you  sleep  better  then  I  will  say  that,  I  don't  hack  and  never  have,  I  been  clean  for  close  to  5  years  now,  Iv  had  numerous  demos  recorded  of  me,  not  all  made  public  but  in  private  which  I  have  also  seen.  Reason  I  never  gave  my  opinion  earlier  when  the  topic  was  made  was  for  the  simplistic  fact  that  I  don't  feel  I  need  to  answer  you  or  anyone  else  in  o2o  as  I'v  heard  there  is  no  point.  
 
 If  o2o  as  a  clan  doesn't  want  to  play  against  me  anymore  then  that  is  your  right  to  make  decision  as  a  clan,  as  well  as  any  other  clan.  At  this  time  I  don't  feel  it  is  needed  I  post  anything  more  as  I  will/have  spoken  with  the  people  who's  opinion  and  outcome  means  the  most.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha. Reply with quote
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potcha  wrote  (View  Post):
Jesus  wrote  (View  Post):
What  you  do  not  know  is  that  this  topic  was  posted  for  a  couple  days  where  community  refs  were  able  to  view  and  make  comments  on  the  demos.  It  was  not  public.
 
 We  will  take  all  opinions  into  consideration,  which  is  why  this  is  in  a  public  forum.  We  will  not  take  consideration  to  posts  that  say  "I  played  him,  he  owned  me,  he  must  be  hacking"  or  "I  am  in  his  clan,  he  is  clean."
 
 It  is  odd  that  your  main  defenses  are:
 
 Get  admins  and  refs  to  review:  CHECK
 o2o  is  one  sided:
 
 Odd  that  you  didn't  say  "I  don't  hack".  Thank  you  for  posting.


 
 I  had  seen  the  demos  about  20  minutes  after  they  were  recorded  and  uploaded  on  to  megaupload,  which  was  on  april  4th  2010  the  same  night  those  games  were  played.


 
 It  seems  your  buddy  leaked  the  link  to  you.
 
 
potcha  wrote  (View  Post):

 If  me  saying  "I  don't  hack"  will  help  you  sleep  better  then  I  will  say  that,  I  don't  hack  and  never  have,  I  been  clean  for  close  to  5  years  now,


 
 Truth  doesn't  contradict  itself.  We  all  know  you've  hacked  before.
 
 We're  all  still  waiting  for  your  explanation  of  those  yh  shots  or  why  you  shoot  frozen  bodies  without  any  intent  to  reposition  them.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha. Reply with quote
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 Thanks,  Hectic.  I  now  understand  what  he  meant.  Sorry  Pixel


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha. Reply with quote
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cLa$$ic  wrote  (View  Post):
stop  making  those  video's.  People  need  to  watch  the  demo's  themselves.  Some  people  are  judging  by  the  video  clips,  it  does  have  sound,  but  you  can't  hear  everything  you  can  in  the  demo.  If  you  would  like  shownormal  to  prove  anything  then  watch  the  whole  DEMO  with  it  and  judge.  Or  simply  watch  the  demo  with  sound  and  enemy  models.  Any  more  demo's  of  him?


 
 the  first  shot  i  agree  it  does  have  sound...  but  really  would  you  REALLY  hit  the  stairs?  wuodln't  you  at  least  aim  to  hit  through  the  door?  but  i  disagree  with  the  2nd  2  shots.  BOTH  had  no  sound  to  go  with  the  shots,  one  did  have  sound  after  he  shot  though  but  thats  about  it.  the  other  time  it  was  dead  bodies  so  i  dont  see  how  you  can  hear  dead  bodies
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha. Reply with quote
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 I  know  its  off  topic  but  jesus  if  people  stop  registering  under  unknown  names  or  alias  or  emails  they  would  still  have  there  account   Very Happy   
 
 
 As  for  the  demos  i  watched  the  youtube  clips  i  see  plenty  of  this  following  and  sometimes  the  preshoot  by  number  of  players.  Not  saying  its  a  hack  or  not  its  how  the  game  works  he  obviously  knew  there  was  people.  Not  like  he  just  started.  Now  its  obvious  that  he  did  know  they  were  there  lol  but  i  am  pretty  sure  it  wasn't  a  wallhack  or  autofire.  Also  i  feel  that  this  topic  will  be  just  like  all  the  others  if  you  think  they  hack  ban  them  if  not  then  dont.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:13 pm Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha. Reply with quote
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I  know  its  off  topic  but  jesus  if  people  stop  registering  under  unknown  names  or  alias  or  emails  they  would  still  have  there  account   Very Happy   
 
 
 As  for  the  demos  i  watched  the  youtube  clips  i  see  plenty  of  this  following  and  sometimes  the  preshoot  by  number  of  players.  Not  saying  its  a  hack  or  not  its  how  the  game  works  he  obviously  knew  there  was  people.  Not  like  he  just  started.  Now  its  obvious  that  he  did  know  they  were  there  lol  but  i  am  pretty  sure  it  wasn't  a  wallhack  or  autofire.  Also  i  feel  that  this  topic  will  be  just  like  all  the  others  if  you  think  they  hack  ban  them  if  not  then  dont.


 
 I  used  "jes0  (zero)  "  since  jes  wasn't  allowed  like  I  use  in  most  forums  not  o2o.  Calie  used  Calie.  Either  way,  it  is  very  immature.  Hope  it  stops,  thanks.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha. Reply with quote
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Jesus  wrote  (View  Post):
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I  know  its  off  topic  but  jesus  if  people  stop  registering  under  unknown  names  or  alias  or  emails  they  would  still  have  there  account   Very Happy   
 
 
 As  for  the  demos  i  watched  the  youtube  clips  i  see  plenty  of  this  following  and  sometimes  the  preshoot  by  number  of  players.  Not  saying  its  a  hack  or  not  its  how  the  game  works  he  obviously  knew  there  was  people.  Not  like  he  just  started.  Now  its  obvious  that  he  did  know  they  were  there  lol  but  i  am  pretty  sure  it  wasn't  a  wallhack  or  autofire.  Also  i  feel  that  this  topic  will  be  just  like  all  the  others  if  you  think  they  hack  ban  them  if  not  then  dont.


 
 I  used  "jes0"  since  jes  wasn't  allowed  like  I  use  in  most  forums  not  o2o.  Calie  used  Calie.  Either  way,  it  is  very  immature.  Hope  it  stops,  thanks.


 
 
 Yeah  i  deleted  those  accounts  0  post.  And  not  to  mention  jes0  and  cal10  i  believe  dont  sound  like  ordinary  names.  But  i  did  delete  those  and  a  few  others  with  0  post  and  some  had  porn  links.  But  if  im  sure  it  will  next  time.   Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:18 pm Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha. Reply with quote
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BirdMaN  wrote  (View  Post):
As  for  the  demos  i  watched  the  youtube  clips  i  see  plenty  of  this  following  and  sometimes  the  preshoot  by  number  of  players.


 
 i  dont  see  many  players  do  this  pre  shot...  is  this  the  pre  shot  where  you  jump  behind  the  stair  case  STRAIGHT  up  to  hit  people  in  quad,  this  doenst  seem  like  that  one  because  he  moves  forward  (everyone  knows  to  land  this  shot  you  need  to  stand  still,  if  yuo  have  experience)?  potcha  moved  forward  every  time,  and  each  time  there  was  an  enemy  right  ON  the  crosshair,  now  whats  the  likelyhood  of  that?  I  mean  yeah  you  could  miss  the  pre  shot  if  you  go  straight  up  and  hit  the  stair  case  on  accident,  but  pre  shots  aren't  always  meant  to  hit;  however  there  was  an  enemy  right  behind  the  wall  each  time  this  happened.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha. Reply with quote
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BirdMaN  wrote  (View  Post):
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BirdMaN  wrote  (View  Post):
I  know  its  off  topic  but  jesus  if  people  stop  registering  under  unknown  names  or  alias  or  emails  they  would  still  have  there  account   Very Happy   
 
 
 As  for  the  demos  i  watched  the  youtube  clips  i  see  plenty  of  this  following  and  sometimes  the  preshoot  by  number  of  players.  Not  saying  its  a  hack  or  not  its  how  the  game  works  he  obviously  knew  there  was  people.  Not  like  he  just  started.  Now  its  obvious  that  he  did  know  they  were  there  lol  but  i  am  pretty  sure  it  wasn't  a  wallhack  or  autofire.  Also  i  feel  that  this  topic  will  be  just  like  all  the  others  if  you  think  they  hack  ban  them  if  not  then  dont.


 
 I  used  "jes0"  since  jes  wasn't  allowed  like  I  use  in  most  forums  not  o2o.  Calie  used  Calie.  Either  way,  it  is  very  immature.  Hope  it  stops,  thanks.


 
 
 Yeah  i  deleted  those  accounts  0  post.  And  not  to  mention  jes0  and  cal10  i  believe  dont  sound  like  ordinary  names.  But  i  did  delete  those  and  a  few  others  with  0  post  and  some  had  porn  links.  But  if  im  sure  it  will  next  time.   Cool


 
 I  didn't  have  time  to  post,  lol.  Just  registered  last  month.  By  the  time  I  wanted  to  post  something  (day  or  2  later)  it  was  deleted.  lmao.
 
 Anywho,  sorry  back  on  topic.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha. Reply with quote
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Calie  wrote  (View  Post):
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stop  making  those  video's.  People  need  to  watch  the  demo's  themselves.  Some  people  are  judging  by  the  video  clips,  it  does  have  sound,  but  you  can't  hear  everything  you  can  in  the  demo.  If  you  would  like  shownormal  to  prove  anything  then  watch  the  whole  DEMO  with  it  and  judge.  Or  simply  watch  the  demo  with  sound  and  enemy  models.  Any  more  demo's  of  him?


 
 the  first  shot  i  agree  it  does  have  sound...  but  really  would  you  REALLY  hit  the  stairs?  wuodln't  you  at  least  aim  to  hit  through  the  door?  but  i  disagree  with  the  2nd  2  shots.  BOTH  had  no  sound  to  go  with  the  shots,  one  did  have  sound  after  he  shot  though  but  thats  about  it.  the  other  time  it  was  dead  bodies  so  i  dont  see  how  you  can  hear  dead  bodies


 
 There's  proof  you  actually  didn't  watch  the  demos.  Attributing  the  yh  shots  to  sound  when  you  can't  even  hear  sound  in  at  least  one  of  them.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha. Reply with quote
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 I  downloaded  and  watched  the  demos  twice..  I  don't  get  it  (birdman  and  classic)  how  do  you  try  defending  this  guy  by  saying  you've  seen  preshots  and  frozen  body  shots  like  this  many  times  before.  You  have  to  be  retarded  to  not  see  this..  This  being  potcha's  hacks.  I  mean  come  on!  I  still  got  a  demo  of  potcha  playing  wcp18  shooting  84  acc  throughout  a  time  period  of  12  minutes.  I'll  try  and  get  it  uploaded  and  link  you  guys  when  I  get  home.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha. Reply with quote
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xero  wrote  (View  Post):
I  downloaded  and  watched  the  demos  twice..  I  don't  get  it  (birdman  and  classic)  how  do  you  try  defending  this  guy  by  saying  you've  seen  preshots  and  frozen  body  shots  like  this  many  times  before.  You  have  to  be  retarded  to  not  see  this..  This  being  potcha's  hacks.  I  mean  come  on!  I  still  got  a  demo  of  potcha  playing  wcp18  shooting  84  acc  throughout  a  time  period  of  12  minutes.  I'll  try  and  get  it  uploaded  and  link  you  guys  when  I  get  home.


 
 
 ohhh  interesting  i  heard  stories  of  him  getting  80+  acc  but  i  thought  it  was  exaggerated!  maybe  since  he  jsut  got  back  he  got  rusty  at  hiding  his  wh+autofire
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha. Reply with quote
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 Man  it's  so  obvious,  no  way  a  player  goes  from  average  shitty  to  holy  shit  best  insta  player..  Lol,  I  heard  on  quakelive  that  when  insta  was  active  the  top  3  players  were  Kgb,  wn,  and  infin1ty,  potcha  wasn't  even  as  good  as  me  until  he  got  his  hacks  this  one  day.  The  day  I  first  recorded  him  was  the  first  day  he  got  good,  since  then  I  knew  he  hacked!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha. Reply with quote
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 Wow...just...wow.  You  really,  really  need  to  watch  these  demos.  I  mean,  I  find  most  demos  boring,  but  these  two  demos  have  to  be  some  of  the  funniest  and  really  obvious  demos  I've  seen.  If  you  watch  the  first  demo,  and  still  think  he's  clean,  you're  either  his  friend,  or  you  are  just  really  dumb.
 
 3:28  was  a  great  wallshot
 9:39  double  wallshots  on  frozen  bodies
 11:28  he  shot  the  same  body  with  two  perfect  flick-shots
 
 I  mean,  all  of  the  times  pixel  mentioned  in  his  post  were  maybe  3/4  of  the  times  that  were  just  downright  funny.  Tons  of  following,  tons  of  wallshots  and  frozen  body  shots.  I  think  this  can  be  concluded  as  a  wh  +  af  combo.
 
 I  know  you  all  will  shrug  off  my  opinion  because  I'm  not  a  "respected  referee"  or  have  "high  status"  in  this  community,  but  I  do  that  on  purpose  to  keep  bias  out  of  my  mind.  I  don't  know  potcha.  I  don't  care  that  he's  well-known  or  that  he's  an  "old  player".  The  fact  is,  these  two  demos  are  really  obvious,  really  funny.  And  come  on,  for  someone  who's  played  this  game  for  5  years  supposedly,  and  on  the  same  dm7  map,  he  sure  doesn't  know  the  corners  too  well  if  he's  hitting  at  least  a  dozen  wallshots  every  5  minutes.
 
 Once  again,  if  you  don't  think  he's  hacking,  you  really  are  just  an  idiot.  The  demos  prove  it  (or  at  least  convince  very  thoroughly).
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: >sBs<Potcha. Reply with quote
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 One  last  thing.  Potcha,  have  you  even  watched  your  own  demos?  I  know  you  said  you  already  did,  but  have  you  actually  watched  them?  You  can't  be  telling  the  truth  when  you  say  you  are  not  hacking  in  those  demos,  because  if  you've  been  playing  for  over  5  years  and  you  follow  people  through  walls,  flick-shot  frozen  bodies  a  lot,  and  make  dozens  of  wallshots  in  a  single  game,  how  are  you  clean?  Just  tell  the  truth,  seriously.  We're  going  to  -1  you  anyway.
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