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Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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Indeed it does skap.

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- No 3D spotting which was a feature they implemented in BC2 for console players

I have to say...It's a noobish feature, but I really like it.
And it's kind of "all right" with battlefield games, when you have huge maps, lots of trees and bushes, its hard to notice anything in the chaos sometimes.

By the way, anyone know how to make your "spot button" more sensitive ? Sometimes you've got to press it 598 times to get attention from any of the gay dudes carrying bullets or health packs.

Anywhat, leave your xfires here guys, plz addy addy add add

Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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heres a cool video clip of some extended info about battlefield 3 and a bit of the history of the series itself.

Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 7:53 pm Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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I posted that two posts ago mega. XD Watch the video of just the gameplay video strung together.

Godl1ke wrote (View Post):
Indeed it does skap.

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- No 3D spotting which was a feature they implemented in BC2 for console players

Spotting is fine like the one in Battlefield 2. When you spot they go on your radar and if you miss it it's just a question mark but it can still tell people where they are. The 3d triangle crap was basically wallhacks which annoyed me.

Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 10:00 pm Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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lol my bad skap don't know how I ended up missing that one Embarassed

After watching the MW3 trailer it just made me want this game more lol.

Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 12:45 am Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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Yeah I suppose the spotting system was kinda noob-friendly. Maybe they should do it so it only appears on your radar, and not on the whole 3D platform.

Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 5:52 am Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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It is noob friendly.
But my big fat unfriendly opinion says it was a good addition, IMO. I really haven't played as fun a game, as BC2 was, for ages.

The question is - what is the difference, between radar, and ON-YOUR-SCREEN ?
There actually isnt any difference. Yes, IT IS easier to play that way, but only slightly, isnt it ? Radar is the same thing basicly, but with radar-only, you get the disadvantage, that you have to glance every time, and you may miss something.

If it was UP to me, I'd take away the radar, and take away the bullet/mag/grenade/bitch counter, and all that stuff from the screen, and I'd leave it for realism and people's instincts to count. I WOULD, however, leave the RED TRIANGLES - why ?
Because it's the same thing, as your brother soldier, from somewhere in the battlefield, giving some enemy sniper's coordinates over the radio. Red triangles = voice communication for people, who dont have a mic. or have too bad of a connection/pc WHATEVER, for a mic.

I have not played BF2, only BC2. So I can't really judge BF2's gameplay - people say it's super fun, but I really don't see how those red triangles would ruin it. What I would welcome is the removal of radar - learning stuff by heart is always so much fun - I just hate things, that help you out (remember - red triangles = voice comm. :) ).

And again, sorry for the repetitiveness - but with the size of maps in Battlefield, and absence of those suuuuuper close combat small - quake-ish maps, red triengles really do not do all that much. In cod1/cod2 - I do see how that would hurt the game, because the atmosphere is very tense on competitive level there, every vibe in the air can be made into an advantage or disadvantage, but I think Battlefield is a different story, its a much more pubish and fun game than cod ever was or will be.

I'm also wondering, what will they do with weapon switching and other assignments in BF3. Because, right now, in BC2, there are QUITE enough of buttons to babysit, what will happen when they add prone and perhaps...other stuff ? They'll probably have to put the inbetween pistol and rifle switch on the same button, which, in my book, is a good thing - same way 1 button for spotting/asking_teammates_for_stuff is.

Ya, sorry for the wall of text. Fight me on red triangles, tho, skap :D

Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 5:52 am Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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terribly sorry for the doublepost, keeps happening to me, get some sort of error from the forum, and bam - doublepost

Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 9:22 am Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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Godl1ke wrote (View Post):

I have not played BF2, only BC2. So I can't really judge BF2's gameplay - people say it's super fun, but I really don't see how those red triangles would ruin it. What I would welcome is the removal of radar - learning stuff by heart is always so much fun - I just hate things, that help you out (remember - red triangles = voice comm. Smile

You need to understand that BF2 had voice comm that worked and that it had commander mode. The commander on both teams knew where everyone was at one time. Why? Because the size of BF2 was at least 4 to 5 times bigger then BC2. The maps were huge. Take Atamaca Dessert and had 4 or 5 more flags in. The commander didn't actively fight he stared at his map and sent you supplies, transports, artillery strikes and spotted enemies for everyone. Radar was the only thing that helped understand what was going on 4 or 5 flags across the map. That's why radar needs to be in the game. Red Triangles aren't going to help you when your buddies spotted someone 5 flags away and you have no way of getting to that enemy without a hitchhike.
Also red triangles are basically giving jets a target icon something that was only seen by jets in BF2 for enemies in tanks. Jets are powerful in BF2 and will be in BF3 you can't give them more of it with those triangles. You do not want to give them exact locations of people outside of vehicles otherwise you would never live long enough on the ground.

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I'm also wondering, what will they do with weapon switching and other assignments in BF3. Because, right now, in BC2, there are QUITE enough of buttons to babysit, what will happen when they add prone and perhaps...other stuff ? They'll probably have to put the inbetween pistol and rifle switch on the same button, which, in my book, is a good thing - same way 1 button for spotting/asking_teammates_for_stuff is.

BC2 had nothing on BF2 in terms of button assignments. BF2 has 5 pages of button assignments with at least 20 assignments on each page. It was complicated but once you learned to use it right it was amazing. The sheer number of buttons made it feel like you had control over everything in the game. Everything that was except the parachute. Parachuting in BF2 was you jamming on the key 4 or 5 times in hopes that it somehow worked and you didn't end up as a pancake. Here are some pics I took for you.

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BF2 map size - Gulf of Oman it will be in BF3

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Middle of the map - Around 40 second to get to and I still didn't get to the end of the map.
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In comparison it takes about 10 seconds for me to fly over the entity or Atamaca and Heavy Metal.

Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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Yeah, BF2's maps do seem immense.

And with that commander stuff it does sound logical. However, the way you've described it - sounds a bit flawed. Why does someone have to sit all the time by the map, and miss on action. I know there are people like that, but is it really worth it ? And what if nobody likes commander stuff - does the whole team have to suffer ? How does it play out ?

And if the maps are that huge, even if commander spots someone 4-5 flags away, what are you going to do about it ? It's kind of the same as with triangles, isnt it ?

What I'm basicly trying to say is...Spotting button in BC2 did basicly the function of 2 whole segments in BF2 - commander mode AND the Q-button-tree-selelction-screenie-thingy.

Even though I havent played with the commander mode in-the-game, but it sounds a bit clumsy. And I really hate having to rely on the radar, I hate glancing down, I really prefer eye and ear instincts. And here is where red triangles come in - they make the gameplay faster. You want an action ? You point at something, and you press your spotting button, you dont need to go to that communication tree, which blocks your whole screen, you have to stop, select a command, etc. etc. ... I dunno, from what I gather, it seems that BC2 makes the gameplay quite fast. I really like BC2's gameplay, it's somehow special, I think Im gonna marry it D:

And also - the thing is - they're not doing commander-mode in BF3. That's why I'm wondering about that triangle stuff, and perhaps they've thought of another system ?

I do agree - triangle system is flawed in a way, and NOT...in a way. Shooting through thick tree leaves at the bottom of the triangle (without even seeing the enemy), and scoring a headshot, is a bit over the top, but... ISNT IT FUN TO DO ?
What those triangles should do, is leave a red triangle where the enemy was the moment he was spotted, and not follow someone through walls. That's a bit WH'ish, and should be corrected, but still - man, do I love 'em Very Happy

I mean...For simple people of the world, who have no idea about battlefield (and that is what BF3 is bringing in - lots of dorks from cod series and so on), having a more simple system that doesnt need grinding until you understand it, is quite good.
And we love noobs, dont we, q3 wouldnt have been half fun if there werent nooberts in pubs to pwn, to rack up that 10-15 per minute killstat, which happened now and then.

Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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And with that commander stuff it does sound logical. However, the way you've described it - sounds a bit flawed. Why does someone have to sit all the time by the map, and miss on action. I know there are people like that, but is it really worth it ? And what if nobody likes commander stuff - does the whole team have to suffer ? How does it play out ?

The Commander on the winning team had their points at the round doubled. Points in BF2 came slowly(1 or 2 points at max) They also weren't out on the action they were the ones sending artillery strikes(think mortars) but more powerful and bigger blast radius. You could get 4 or 5 kills every arty strike which came around every 30 or so seconds. They also sent UAVs that scanned players locations for a few seconds.

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And if the maps are that huge, even if commander spots someone 4-5 flags away, what are you going to do about it ? It's kind of the same as with triangles, isnt it ?

So your team can cut them off. If someone ran past the first few flags to take a less occupied flag the commander could order the others around to block this maneuver. Nothing sucked more then pinning a team to their last two flags only to have an enemy squad slip by and go take back the rest of the flags.

Also the spot system/comm rose was the same as it is BC2. One press to get the spot off. You never had to specfy what kind of enemy is there. If you used it on a Jet they would say "Enemy Jet spotted" But unlike BC2 if you missed people still knew someone was there. It also gave u the option of calling for help from the commander or asking for ammo/health even when you had no medics or supports around you. Having to use Q in BC2 on an assault to ask for ammo was pointless. It never made it to chat and half the time they didn't hear you anyway. In BC2 if no one is around and your out of ammo your only option is to go find someone and spam Q at them. That shouldn't have to be the case, you should be able to call them at any time.

Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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Also the spot system/comm rose was the same as it is BC2. One press to get the spot off. You never had to specfy what kind of enemy is there.

I've seen videos and tried BF2 on single-player basis, and basicly, the rose system is very much on par to me, with the Q button in BC2. Both have disadvantages.

The rose blocks the screen, is a bit clumsy and takes a little bit more time to be executed. Also, what it does, is clogs up the screen with text and clogs up audio que with people shouting. Sometimes people use that to annoy others.

The Q button sometimes ties your hands behind your back, when you're playing against newbs, you can shout all you want, nobody will hear you, and it just pisses you off.
Although, this is the place where it's advantages come in. Q button also makes you blink on a specific action, and even if people dont hear you - they may see a flashing icon.
Another thing - Q button doesnt block your view in any way - no rose, no additional text messages, you have a clean screen.

Today had an awesome game, went something 83-30 on Oasis (lots of tickets), and people really helped each other, responded to every plea for ammo or health, always spawned on you when you're behind the lines infiltrating a flag and it was really nice to play. Tho, I have to say, I found myself in need of binds at times - Q button is not enough sometimes.

Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 10:16 am Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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You guys talking about BC2 makes me wanna play again. I have one problem about it though : my in-game sounds are quiet ... My volume is at 100% and I can't make it any higher, but I would still need more sounds to truly hear everything in the game. I should maybe just buy a new pair of headphones.

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:35 pm Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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You don't need to hear everything in that game to play well. The days of good sound=you kill everything has never been in Battlefield. I can play BC2 with no sound on and still score ridiculously high with a good K Very Happy

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: Battlefield 3

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Well maybe in public games yes, but I've seen a guy who shot me through the house; I was on top floor, he was one floor under and he could tell where I was just from my footsteps. I've had quite a good number of high scores myself, all I'm saying is that maybe I could play a little bit better with better sounds.

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