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Do you consider gross manipulation of cvars cheating when it replaces game skills? If you want to explain your answer please do.

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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:12 pm Post subject: Suspected: oDv cin! When scripts attack!

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This is the kind of stuff I would love to see removed from q3 period.
A gross manipulation of (fake)skill not produced by the player, but by a executed script with multiple commands in succession.

I'm sure everyone has seen the "Rocket Jump" script which is entirely different and quite harmless.
The new breed of cheat scripts grossly changes the "level playing field" adage..

Anyone willing to come forward and give me this script/post it here and or send it to Mav directly that would be a step in the right direction to alleviating unfair advantages.. Before anyone has anything negative to say in regards to removing said scripts, unless this is open to everyone then it's considered an UNFAIR advantage.

Like PUNKbuster, cmds will and can be deactivated or reduced to hinder game manipulation when they are realized. My take is that these scripts should be removed to keep the integrity of this game clean.

http://era.noghost.net/html/files/cin.dm3

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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: Suspected: oDv cin! When scripts attack!

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ThEOLdGuY wrote (View Post):
I'm sure everyone has seen the "Rocket Jump" script which is entirely different and quite harmless.
The new breed of cheat scripts grossly changes the "level playing field" adage..

You are referring to the boosting script that I saw multiple times in the demo? If so, it's the exact same as the "rocket/rail jump script", except this one just has it timed to where it looks down, and fires at that precise time. Whereas the "rail jump" script just looks all the way down and has no precision. It's the exact same commands, just more well refined.

To disable it, you would have to remove the keyboard looking commands, the wait command, the adjustment of sensitivity and pitchspeed, and possibly disable the attack command. That would be the only way to COMPLETELY remove and hinder the scripts useless. But by also doing that, you cannot play the game. Lol.

So... Really there isn't jack shit we can do about it aside from starting to universally discourage the use of them.

Also the demo looked clean.

/edit- Wow I can't fucking spell. -_-

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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: Suspected: oDv cin! When scripts attack!

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Script junkies are annoying.   Personally I see it as an unfair advantage despite how lame it is.   Then again, that's just how this game is played these days right?

Anything that could possibly be used as an advantage to be "better" or "more skilled" than the other will be manipulated to the extreme.

All we can really do is discourage the use of these scripts.    Rolling Eyes

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:40 pm Post subject: Re: Suspected: oDv cin! When scripts attack!

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The scripts are really annoying, it is unrealistic (if you can say that in a game).

It would be impossible to stop the use :/

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:13 am Post subject: Re: Suspected: oDv cin! When scripts attack!

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Well, if Maverick changes cl_pitchspeed and cl_yawspeed to be cheat protected and limited to 100, then we wouldn't have a problem since those scripts use that command in excess while it is generally useless to those who don't wish to script.

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Suspected: oDv cin! When scripts attack!

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they're not really unfair in my opinion. It just makes the player who uses them lazy. Also, mainly crappy players use them. They can't evade attacks on their own or have no strategy, so they think just pressing a bunch of rj scripts will make them impervious to being shot. In fact it's quite easy to shoot someone in the air. If you look at players in "good" clans, hardly any or no players use them, because it's a waste of a bind. Besides, I used to use the basic rj script and it was annoying as hell to have to always readjust my view after I hit it. I dunno, your call.

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: Suspected: oDv cin! When scripts attack!

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The regular rj script is widly used and I personally used to object to it but I finally gave in to adding it to my cfg during my last trip to the ranks of UE - I still have it, but honestly only use it if I get pissed off in dm7 lava lol.

My biggest issue with scripts is the rj forward, swap to gaunt, swap back to railgun script I basically see from euro clans. That specific bind/script could be controlled by servers simply requiring default (or longer) weapon swap delay. I would LOVE to see servers get back to that, but based on how many people I see complain when they are forced to play on servers that actually make you wait to swap back I know that wont ever happen.

I'm curious to see how bad the guy in the H$ topic was abusing things such as this, I'll check out tonight if I think of it.

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: Suspected: oDv cin! When scripts attack!

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i used to use it, untill i heard i couldnt use a rj script in clanbase matches, i decided to take it off for good lol.

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: Suspected: oDv cin! When scripts attack!

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tool wrote (View Post):
they're not really unfair in my opinion. It just makes the player who uses them lazy.

that doesn't mean you should compensate for the laziness by using these ridiculously stupid scripts. either play the game right or don't play at all.

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: Suspected: oDv cin! When scripts attack!

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some scripts are allowed such as ixtimer which only helps you to time items but it doesnt take you to items itself.
By using rj script you move thanks to a machine which makes it a cheat

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:05 pm Post subject: Re: Suspected: oDv cin! When scripts attack!

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The fact of the matter is: Using something that enhances one's game play to any degree beyond their skill level is considered an unfair advantage to those who play against that player.

A timing script is quite different because it enhances the ability to time an item rather than commit an action that can physically alter game play dramatically.

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: Suspected: oDv cin! When scripts attack!

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You use timing scripts ex? Lame -_-.
Not that hard to count to 30 lol.

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:11 am Post subject: Re: Suspected: oDv cin! When scripts attack!

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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:09 am Post subject: Re: Suspected: oDv cin! When scripts attack!

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I don't use a timing script, Joey was commenting about the difference of a timing script and railjump script and I agree. I can time easily. It's second nature.

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:53 am Post subject: Re: Suspected: oDv cin! When scripts attack!

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ixtimer's main task is to inform your retarded teammates when items spawn and actually make them go there

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