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Should Hater, Class, Bird, Elmo, and Archer be banned
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Should Hater, Class, Bird, Elmo, Archer, and Hater be banned from server?

Hell Yes!

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No I am with Era on this one

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Don't care..

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Total Votes : 68

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Should Hater, Class, Bird, Elmo, and Archer be banned

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well, i am not gonna be a hypocrit. and go and vote no cause i hate all 3 of them.
so im not gonna vote, but i will say is why do people care so much?
this game is 8 yrs old and eRa is the number one clan.
so what.
what does it prove?
i will however disagree on all the racial slurs thieve made to people, and the ridicule towards others who aren't that good at the game.(noobs)
or have an opinion which they do not agree on.
for that i think they deserve every bit of this, the logs the comments the whole 2 bits.
cause what goes around comes around, and it was only a matter of time before something was said or slipped out.
so far all there is to back them up is

1. they logs are FAKE! OMG someone spent a week straight making them.

2. They either make fun of people, or say they own the community.

3. no one knows what the drops were from.

4. or it just can't be true.

iv moved on to different games, but still play quake.
mostly moved onto different games, this whole community is unbelievable that this is being treated as a court case. and the fact that me and every other ex-cheater isn't banned, seems pretty crazy for such a anti-cheat community.
but if it was an anti-cheat community, friends or not ud be banned along with me..
and then there wouldn't even be a discussion on this.

-and kikyo's website has nothing to do with logs, or ur suspicion.

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: Should Hater, Class, Bird, Elmo, and Archer be banned

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http://era.noghost.net/html/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=3267&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Notice the Slash model in the screenshot...

You know it's elmo's because he typed right before and the console recorded it (the smile).

The 28 fps can be seen as more evidence that it was elmo as he had a really crappy video card back then..

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: Should Hater, Class, Bird, Elmo, and Archer be banned

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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:39 am Post subject: Re: Should Hater, Class, Bird, Elmo, and Archer be banned

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Rayden, Hater and I have cleared elmo. You can go back to the thread (Click to go there) on eRa and read more about it. I realized that the slash model could be someone railjumping in the corner and so the three of us painstakingly recreated this with me rail jumping and Hater and Rayden taking pictures.

Rayden then turned the original photo plus the one we took into an animated gif so that you can clearly see it is no wallhack.

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:51 am Post subject: Re: Should Hater, Class, Bird, Elmo, and Archer be banned

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are we still talking about a game wich we played to have fun?

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:11 am Post subject: Re: Should Hater, Class, Bird, Elmo, and Archer be banned

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*unicef Bryan: say the first 3 sets of an ip matched an ip of an ip in a drop log
*unicef Bryan: xx.xxx.xx
_dorian: if first 3 match then its definitely the same person
_dorian: if first two match then you can be pretty sure
_dorian: thats about as far as you can go
*unicef Bryan: the IP's that dropped were 69.149.52.93 and 68.95.249.126 ... classic's ip is similar at 69.149.52.97 and 68.95.249.120
*unicef Bryan: with ip's like those, i can be sure it's those 3?
_dorian: that's definitely 100% proof
_dorian: wlel you can tell whoever
_dorian: that you talked to me and i said it was 100%
_dorian: if they want to argue it tell them to come to me
*unicef Bryan: those 3 are just gonna respond with "there are other people in dallas that play quake"
_dorian: unless they live on the same block
_dorian: its pretty impossible
_dorian: to have ip's that closely match
_dorian: when onu had a server
_dorian: it was like the most popular tdm server at the time
_dorian: i remembe rlooking through the logs
_dorian: to find two separate people
_dorian: with ip's that closely match
_dorian: and there werent any
_dorian: plus,
_dorian: the way computer networks are set up
_dorian: the ip ranges
_dorian: ie
_dorian: 1.2.3.x
_dorian: all belong to the same geographical location
_dorian: its by design
_dorian: so yeah, oyu'd have to live pretty much on the same block
_dorian: to have ip's that close
_dorian: who's the person being suspected
*unicef Bryan: suspected?
*unicef Bryan: you mean who do those ips belong to?
_dorian: yeah
_dorian: lol
*unicef Bryan: classic hater and bigbird
*unicef Bryan: surprise! -_-
_dorian: lol
*unicef Bryan: awww dont tell me youre speechless now -_-
_dorian: nah
_dorian: its just that i wouldnt be surprised

/end convo

You have a choice to make peoples.. did deviance or o2o

fake those logs, or did they reyes's drop?

Post what you believe is more likely.

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:22 am Post subject: Re: Should Hater, Class, Bird, Elmo, and Archer be banned

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Oh and..

Quote:
I've got part of the Texas Servers logs from latter part of 2005, like the last quarter.

The only outright anti-bot cheating I found was this:
919:33 Suspected cheating: PlayerName: ^7^1^7^1^7^1X^7E^1R^7O^1X^7^1^7^1 PlayerIP: 66.189.236.47:1349 Cheat: SLH Autoshooter

The only player who matched the first 2 octects of the IP 69.149.52.93 was:
^S[S.T.A.R.S.]^UPLAY *N* SKILLZ

With the first 2 octets of 68.95.249.126, these names were found:
^8<H34R71355>
O_O
^4^7HaTeR^4
^2Fuck^7G
^2Wan^7G
^3TK^1H^2a^1T^2e^1R^3TK^7

Those IP's appeared in the "front" of the log and then seemed to disappear. A player named "Elmo" seemed to the server far more often and was found throughout the log. A name search yielded nothing but I will take a better look as time permits.

EDIT: It's clear that this is not the time in question, but it may be useful to somebody.

Why might I ask, would cujo only post 2 octets exact instead of 3? The answer comes to mind that he couldn't find up to 3, meaning as of right now, no one had the first 3 octets exact ever except the reyes's. AND they've had the exact 3 on multiple occasions.

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:31 am Post subject: Re: Should Hater, Class, Bird, Elmo, and Archer be banned

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fuck lebron..how the hell do u want us to have fun playing this shit vs a gang of hackers fag uh?

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:33 am Post subject: Re: Should Hater, Class, Bird, Elmo, and Archer be banned

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they fucking drop man..
and if u said they didnt its imposible..everybody know they are fucking wird..
they can shoot u without seeing u
whithout a log or not EVERYBODY CAN FUCKING KNOW YOU IDIOTS HACK!!!! UNDERSTAND THAT PIECES OF SHIT!!!!

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:56 am Post subject: Re: Should Hater, Class, Bird, Elmo, and Archer be banned

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HELL YEA

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:30 am Post subject: Re: Should Hater, Class, Bird, Elmo, and Archer be banned

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Seriously, think about it peops, what's more likely? Faking logs or fat kids, who use 90% of their thought effort thinking about food and 10% about quake, cheating? I mean come on, with all that thought going to food, there's no way they thought about if they'd get caught before they downloaded and dropped.

And for those in era forums saying they're clear, you're absolutely wrong. And to bigbird's post about ip ranges, none of those stars players have had the first 3 octets. You have. Quit pretending like you're innocent when everyone knows you're not. It's pathetic how you say you're not the ones that dropped when you can only match the first two octets to other people.

Unless you can provide an actual log of someone else with the exact 3 octets in the actual time frame from 2 years ago, you're guilty. So gL with that.

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:32 am Post subject: Re: Should Hater, Class, Bird, Elmo, and Archer be banned

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The replys you guys made just proved exactly what I was trying to say. "they brought it on themself"

Wouldn't that be the same with anyone that has cheated in the past??

I don't think there is that much more for me to be said but I agree gang. It is going to be a little different considering the people.

It just looks like you all want to ban them from the comunity because you don't like them.. Because I don't see alot of people wasting that much time on some possibly ''ex'' cheaters. (it was in 2005 =/)

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Should Hater, Class, Bird, Elmo, and Archer be banned

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Well. Lets ask some ex-cheater back into the community, ya knows becuz it was only 2 years ago...then we'll let them pwn every1 becuz it's ok to have ex-cheats raping players i mean cmon! 2005!. lets be real man..

Heres an idea.. #1. Maybe o2o

shuld become a bunch of assholes!! Ice you make a sig that says "skill..Get some!" We'll have sha make a colletion on wins and post a video braggin of undeafeated victories! Then! we'll shit talk the next person to drop and post logs! but wait.. they dont state clearly that they cheat! oh well we're o2o

fuck them -1!!

oh but theres more! we'll start fights with every1 and make sure they understand we are #1 and hold the true power! Once we Cleared that up. We'll call others names and shit talk them and then Ban them when they call us beaners! After that we'll go find rawwr and ban him for showing jaba the hut on our forums!!!

Alright!! all this here shouldn't piss anybody off, i mean it's just a game, and those players we treat like shit wont feel anything i mean..cmon it's just a game..right? WRONG

People have all the right in the world whodat to ban of hatred, i see players get banend all the time over words and disrespect and i recall eRa doing that all the time when u were in..

i thought i'd make a little skit, that way people could see how fucked up some people are, and how other clans arent such as o2o

. I'm sure if sha and calie suddenly dropped over CD crack ( EXAMPLE ONLY), the community wouln't be tryin to -1 them for life everywhere thats possible...i wonder why era is diffrent.... oh wait! thier era my bad.

^^ thats for you med! <3

persoanlly idc, eRa can be left alone, but this opens the eyes to ALL off you. eRa was constantly banning of the same level of proof, now that they get heat over the same proof they gave others..it's ok becuz they are eRa? wtf no.

This is my final post on this subject, it's clear eRa will get the wrist slap and walk away. Ima play q3 and play it clean and non crack/illegal, liek i have for the past years

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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:10 am Post subject: Re: Should Hater, Class, Bird, Elmo, and Archer be banned

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LeBron wrote (View Post):
are we still talking about a game wich we played to have fun?

no we're not. this game sucks now, and I'm glad i'm no longer trying to take it serious in a competative way.. everyone is suspect, and no one can trust eachother, and cheaters run amock (pun intended).

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:12 am Post subject: Re: Should Hater, Class, Bird, Elmo, and Archer be banned

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Society wrote (View Post):
Well. Lets ask some ex-cheater back into the community, ya knows becuz it was only 2 years ago...then we'll let them pwn every1 becuz it's ok to have ex-cheats raping players i mean cmon! 2005!. lets be real man..

Heres an idea.. #1. Maybe o2o

fuck them -1!!

oh but theres more! we'll start fights with every1 and make sure they understand we are #1 and hold the true power! Once we Cleared that up. We'll call others names and shit talk them and then Ban them when they call us beaners! After that we'll go find rawwr and ban him for showing jaba the hut on our forums!!!

Alright!! all this here shouldn't piss anybody off, i mean it's jus ta game, and those players we treat like shit wont feel anything i mean..cmon it's just a game..right? WRONG

People have all the right in the wrold whodat to ban of hatred, i see players get banend all the time over words and disrespect and i recall eRa doing that all the time when u were in..

i thought i'd make a little skit, that way people could see how fucked up some people are, and how other clans arent such as o2o

. I'm sure in sha and calie suddenly dropped over CD crack ( EXAMPLE ONLY), the community wouln't be tryin to -1 them for life everywhere thats possible...i wonder why era is diffrent.... oh wait! thier era my bad.

^^ thats for you med! <3

persoanlly idc, eRa can be left alone, but this opens the eyes to ALL of you. eRa was constantly banning of the same level of proof, now that they get heat over the same proof they gave others..it's ok becuz they are eRa? wtf no.

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