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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:15 am Post subject: Atheist?

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First of all let me point out some obvious facts I hope you guys won't try and bitch me out on.

This is a mass post, I will / have posted this on UE, o2o

, dT, eRa, and #1 just to see what everyone's thoughts and opinions are.

I'm not looking for a flame war

I'm dead serious and in no way looking for enemies.

I'm sorry if it offends you.

Please

please

read all of what I wrote on my views if you are going to comment with sincerity and seriosity(you don't have to read all of it necessarily, but I think it would eliminate confusion / skipping over details).

If this post is deemed innapropriate for any reason notify me personally and I will delete this post immediately, please do not reprimand me for a harmlessly intended action.

Setting: I was at my girlfriend's house earlier, watching The Last Samurai / Spiderman 2 on the tube when somehow my girlfriend brought up the fact that on my myspace page I had listed my religious view as "Athiest".

Background Information: I do not think that I believe in a higher power. I think sometimes I use the comforting idea that something out there controls my fate, and that He or She or It may possess the ability to make things better for me, and may help me when I am down. This is not a true belief in a God or higher being to me though... the way I view it is just as a scapegoat for what I would rather not own up to / path of weakness. This is all for me personally, I am NOT generalizing. Therefore, I do not think that I believe in any God whatsoever.

The Meat: My girlfriend asked me if I could remove my claim of Atheism from my myspace page. Me being a curious person and like to know the reasons behind people's actions, I asked why. She couldn't quite give me a good reason, as she gets a bit nervous / shy about certain things. Overall, I think it was:

My initial reaction was that I would be angry at anyone for taking a disliking to someone else in any way because of their spiritual concentration or lack thereof. To me it seems unreasonable to dislike someone as a person because of their religious views. To understand what I'm thinking, picture your grandmother. If she was Catholic, and you were Catholic as well, what if upon hearing that your girlfriend was not Catholic she would immediately think worse of her? Assuming of course that she liked your girlfriend perfectly fine prior to this knowledge. Wouldn't that bother you just a little bit?

Can't think of a title: One thing that came out of my girlfriend's mouth at the end of the night is that she would want the entire family to go to church and participate--she would not want to be the only one going to church, or half the family going, etc. That to me does not involve believing in the religious view, so much as physical support. In that instance, does the belief itself really matter or the intent? I'm not about to break up with her over this, I think it's too foolish and not serious enough an issue at this point in life to deal with. And she is quite possibly the best thing to ever happen to me in my entire life, no joke, so I'm not open to any ideas of separation. She is a good person and open to anything I have to say.

That being said, I guess I just want some main things from you, if I may:

1) Is religion that big of a deal that you can't spend your life with someone that does not share your religious views?

I think that's all I can put to words at the moment. If I think of anything else I'll post it later. Thanks for your time, I just want to see what others think.

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:43 am Post subject: Re: Atheist?

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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: Atheist?

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Lol Lebron... May I be of assistance?

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:19 pm Post subject: Re: Atheist?

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Dime, unfortunately sometimes what people believe is what the believe. If for her to be happy requires someone who shares her faith then maybe thats what she should be looking for. For me personally, I am pretty open minded therefore it wouldn't really bother me if my husband is not the same religion as me. But for some people, that may be very important. Perhaps you should ask her if it is really is important to her, and find out if there is a future with someone who does not share the same views as her. If she cannot deal with that, then IMO, she is not worth your time.

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: Atheist?

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In my opinion having a belief in an upper being is very foolish, because for one no one has ANY proof that they existed. Until we build a time machine to go back to see if any of this stuff was true then no one can really say anything about it. I am Atheist just like you because there is no proof of any upper being existence. It's also very foolish of your girl friend (no offense) to believe in an upper being, and also very foolish of her to think that you HAVE to believe in something. We chose to be Atheist and therefore we should not be punished for what we think is right. I mean i could go to church and all that junk but it would have no effect on me or my life. It's not like going to church, praying, etc.. has any affect on your life. I know multiple people that are Christian and have horrible lives but they still pray and go to church and do all that jibber jabber. But if you girl friend thinks that you HAVE to believe in something then that is just silly of her. You have chosen to be Atheist and just because she wants you to think that your relationship is in jeopardy because of something as stupid as believing in a god. The only thing that you should believe in is yourself and the people around you because they should have faith in you.

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: Atheist?

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I like the multiple colors. I will answer this in full detail when i'm done with dinner.

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: Atheist?

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I did bealive in god ...but now .... Confused

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: Atheist?

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I agree with TRQ completely. To some people, religion is very important and can't go on in life without being in a relationship with someone of a different belief. However, if she wasn't that outspoken about it, I doubt she's this type of person. I think she's probably mixed up thinking, "you know, i want someone that would be of the same faith, but I really like dime." It's smart of you not to start any quarrels over it and just be yourself.

As for Senator....
I think you're being very foolish by calling people who don't believe in the same thing as you (atheism) foolish. There is a reason why it's called "FAITH" and "SPIRITUALITY". Nothing has to be proven to BELIEVE in something. And you say you know many christians who go on praying when their lives are shit. You think these people who pray only pray because they want a better life? And since they dont get it, they're foolish? That is incredibly foolish to even think that way. My health is shit. No doubt I turned my back on God, but came back because I realized that God has no control over out mortal bodies. He has no control over our lives. Hell, why didn't he stop Adam and Eve from eating the apple? Why didn't he prevent 9/11 from happening? Try to be objective and considerate of others before judging.

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: Atheist?

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Well to me saying that you believe in an upper being is like me saying I believe in unicorns, leprechauns, ogres, and all that fairy tale stuff, it's just bs. As for Adam and Eve, once again I go back to the believability of it, only those who have read the Bible or have been told about the bible know about Adam and Eve, and what they did. Seeing how they were the first human beings on earth, you think that they would be able to learn english as soon as they're made? Hell no. Religion is just a scam made up for money and to fool people to think that they will be able to pray to the god of their choice and get that something or something along the lines of what they prayed for. Like you don't see everyone in the world with nice cars, nice houses, good health, etc.. but they don't. I mean if gods were real then the world would a perfect place and everyone would be perfect. Yea with "Faith", I could say I have faith in this and that and in this person but that doesn't mean that they'd do what I want them to do. Like I have faith in my soccer team, but we don't win every game nor do we win every tournament, or i have faith in my friends but they still talk behind my back and do stuff that isn't really faithful. I am not trying to say that people who aren't Atheist are foolish, all I am trying to say is that his girl friend is foolish for thinking that her boy friend HAS to believe in a god in order to be with her. Choosing your religion is up to the person, I just think that believing in upper being is non-sense and a waste of time, because how do you know they exist? You don't know, no body does. Until I actually see a god for myself then I will start to believe but then otherwise I'm sticking with Atheism. And Josie I know of the ramification's that will come from this and I'm willing to defend myself to anyone who thinks I'm not right.

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: Atheist?

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SenaToR wrote (View Post):
Well to me saying that you believe in an upper being is like me saying I believe in unicorns, leprechauns, ogres, and all that fairy tale stuff, it's just bs.

Not exactly. Unicorns, leprechauns, ogre, and fairy tale stuff doesn't give you comfort or give you a map for life.

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As for Adam and Eve, once again I go back to the believability of it, only those who have read the Bible or have been told about the bible know about Adam and Eve, and what they did. Seeing how they were the first human beings on earth, you think that they would be able to learn english as soon as they're made? Hell no.

lol what??

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Religion is just a scam made up for money and to fool people to think that they will be able to pray to the god of their choice and get that something or something along the lines of what they prayed for. Like you don't see everyone in the world with nice cars, nice houses, good health, etc.. but they don't.

I agree that organized religion is corrupt, but that is no reason to persecute believers in general.

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I mean if gods were real then the world would a perfect place and everyone would be perfect.

well, it's actually the exact opposite. if everything and everyone were perfect, we would be god and there would be no need for a higher source or "ultimate god". to every positive there is a negative for an equal balance.

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Yea with "Faith", I could say I have faith in this and that and in this person but that doesn't mean that they'd do what I want them to do. Like I have faith in my soccer team, but we don't win every game nor do we win every tournament, or i have faith in my friends but they still talk behind my back and do stuff that isn't really faithful.

that was kind of my point though. What we believe becomes truth to ourselves. There is no definitive answer to the existance of a higher being, but those of religion believe there is.

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I am not trying to say that people who aren't Atheist are foolish, all I am trying to say is that his girl friend is foolish for thinking that her boy friend HAS to believe in a god in order to be with her. Choosing your religion is up to the person, I just think that believing in upper being is non-sense and a waste of time, because how do you know they exist? You don't know, no body does. Until I actually see a god for myself then I will start to believe but then otherwise I'm sticking with Atheism. And Josie I know of the ramification's that will come from this and I'm willing to defend myself to anyone who thinks I'm not right.

You just contradicted yourself by saying "I'm not trying to say that people who aren't atheist are foolish... but I think that believing in an upper being is nonsense and a waste of time".

PS - Sen, I'm gonna take a wild guess and say you were brought up as catholic.

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: Atheist?

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I'm not gonna keep on this argument because your argument about this girl is like democrat vs republican. yous are both the same essentially.

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:54 pm Post subject: Re: Atheist?

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Well I know what I am going to do about this situation, and breaking up with her is the last thing on my mind. I just like to see what people think. And thanks Josie, I decided the rainbow effect would be nice Embarassed

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I think she's probably mixed up thinking, "you know, i want someone that would be of the same faith, but I really like dime." It's smart of you not to start any quarrels over it

I agree. Thanks : )

Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:16 am Post subject: Re: Atheist?

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wow... i can not believe how ignorant senator is

i am really shocked...

how can u really be that fucking ignorant

i dont wanna read ur bullshit long ass post, once i saw that u said any1 who believes in an upper being is foolish... bitch shut up and go play some hockey u dumb canadian...

i wouldnt call myself an athiest... i believe their is a upper being, a creater... i dont believe jesus was the son of god, i dont believe in a heaven or hell... but if praying and going to church helps someone out wiht their life then im all about that... how can u be soo fucking ignorant saying ppl go to church but god doesnt do anything for them... people control their own fate... their own destiny... people get self relief from church, its a phsycological thing... im not gonna even get into this any further but id say top 3 ignorant ppl in the world are, george bush 3, senater 2 and senater 1

Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:20 am Post subject: Re: Atheist?

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bitch shut up and go play some hockey u dumb canadian...

Fuck you I'm Canadian, and we OWNED the shit out of you Americans yesterday. Very Happy

Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:36 am Post subject: Re: Atheist?

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go tell someone who cares

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